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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 1:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 14:39:49 GMT -5
Feedback is getting a little off the path-and there is so much of it-This could be cut down considerably-If you would keep in mind-that unless you can back up what you say -then don't send it-I am all about facts-not someones isolated twist on a subject- as an example-Bashing Kym Worthy-I did not put her information up for that purpose-I am working on some Info for a post and to be fair to Worthy -I wanted -to give you and opportunity to see and read about her accomplishments -before you read my thoughts on why It scares me to think that she could make a decision about the Occk suspect---
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 15:00:53 GMT -5
Now about Topix-You don't have to be sending me any posts from there-If I wanted to read them...I would just go over there and read them-There is nothing of importance that comes out of most of the people who post there-the majority of posters there ...and I kid you not-there are only about six regular posters at The Oakland County Child Killer -tread in the JB forum...and each of them post under several different names-and this bashing of me is just their ignorance-I am totally Immune to it all-It has been going on for years-same group -just different days-that is one reason that they have no readership-To begin with if they were interested in the Occk cases-They them self would have more to talk about-but because of there lack of knowledge-they turn right back to posting about me-The only real knowledge they have is a news cast they see for 5 min,-or a news article they read here and there-this does not constitute knowledge-Now If they wanted to make real points -you would think-they would try to Tripp me up on some facts I have stated on the Internet all these years-lol-But they are not going to do that-as they don't know any facts-because they have done-NO research-Or they could direct the readers to their site-and maybe to their Video collection--Oh that is right -they don't have any commitment to keeping the Occk victims memory a live-Do They?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 15:32:52 GMT -5
One of the problems I see between the current Topix posters and my self-Is that I'm not into celebrity status-and I never have been-My firm rule that I never break is I DO NOT REWARD BAD BEHAVIOR-and it is so sicking to go over there and read the validation that they give each other -for what? They are so into that---- they have to change even the judging marks until their gang gets something favorable? The reason I quit going over there is -I could almost hear the sucking...up----and the BS-is totally overwhelming-and they have the Guts to say they are interested in the Oakland County Child Murders? PUHLEASE!-They are playing to what they think is a crowd...and that is the furthers thing from being true.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 21:00:24 GMT -5
Helen, were the boys molested with and object only? Tom-Note-I was told by John that they were and that it was a Toothbrush holder-and done to make a statement only-and I have to believe that as in The FOIA papers Studt talks about vibrators to John-What Studt didn't know at the time -was these were white 1970s Toothbrush holders and were shape -just like a vibrator-same ridges and tapered to a point-so yes,when I think back over Don and my conversation about this-and how he insisted that it was a vibrator -after I told him-I wasn't talking about a vibrator-I was describing the tiered metal basket John had in his bathroom with about 50 of the Toothbrush holders in-then Don seem to get it-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 21:21:17 GMT -5
Helen, The more I read on the site ,the more I see what your getting at John was definitely familiar with all the drop off places wasn't he? Geo-Note-Yes-he drove by Marks drop off-everyday in the FOIA papers he admits this to Studt and adds that his sister lived out that way-then Jills was where he could see the drop off from a job he had at the time and Kris was off of a road that his brother lived on and Tim was on the road to where his sister was employed...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 21:25:24 GMT -5
Helen, I do see why your so angry with Studt for most of the dates in his report not being accurate,as one day-one week-in fact one hour can change the entire alibi.Sgt.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 21:38:47 GMT -5
Helen, If Studt gave your reports to the MSP, then why are you so up set with him. Bill Note-He didn't give everything to them-and because some of the documents he put in there-that he himself wrote-are simply not accurate-How does one go about solving a case-if they do not have all of the information surrounding the events,but have a colorful narrative report ,only designed for entertaining the cops who mite look at it sometime down the road-How can say the MSP check a date on a document against a date of a crime to establish and alibi-if they do not have the right dates-they would just view the items and say to their self well that doesn't match -so he can not be involved with this victim-and after all they have always respected Studts work on other cases-you are getting this right? In order to come to a right conclusion on a fact-you have to have all the Info and it needs to be accurate...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 21:57:01 GMT -5
See here is something that I blame myself for----for some reason,I thought that no matter what cop I gave my Info to-that they shared it with all the other cops involved- I never in my wildest dreams ever thought that they just held on to it and kept it all to them self-I really thought that the FBI-The MSP and the Sheriffs Dept.all had a separate file of all of my info as this wasn't just a murder case-this was a Serial murder case-with many jurisdiction-didn't they all have to have all the info to check against their files? In Hindsight,I should have notice the red flags-as many times -the different officers would act like they were hearing something for the first time or that they didn't know what the hell I was talking about-This is all very sad-as there is no doubt in my mind that these cases could have been solved 20 yrs ago-If I had only gone to the State Police with everything-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 13, 2011 22:08:49 GMT -5
I know that some of you are thinking -Oh the State police are the ones who mess up on these cases-well that is not true! And you know you don't have to like the Michigan State Police-a lot of people don't-because they get blamed by all the little local dept. for everything-it's a pass the buck -save your own face -mentality--The MSP did not drop the ball on these cases-as far as I am concern-and I can tell you right now -that when they make out a police report or when they file Info-It is done right-there is no small town small talk -in their reports-It is just the facts -they do not adlib any of their personal thoughts in the reports-because they are professionals..
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 14, 2011 0:32:27 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
I just noticed something interesting, but you may already be aware of it. The "Captain" has a picture of the Morningview Terrace, and the caption states that he used to be a paperboy on that street, and that he was a crosswalk safety on that street during 5th and 6th grade. That's a scary street for a kid that age to be spending so much time.XXXX
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 14, 2011 3:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 14, 2011 10:41:00 GMT -5
Helen,"Hollywood" Xxxxxxxx knows who killed those kids and he may have played a role, IMO. He "got around" in the neighborhood and probably looked at any way to make fast money (e.g. paperboy, child prostitute, lure).Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 14, 2011 10:51:48 GMT -5
Helen, I have felt for a long time that Hollywood Xxxx knows and may have been involved. He may be remorseful and have found religion but he is cheating the debt to society he owes, if he was involved or even knows who killed those kids. I'd love to interrogate that guy and all of the other members of the clan. Robert
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Post by battista on Sept 14, 2011 12:47:59 GMT -5
Helen, The more I read on the site ,the more I see what your getting at John was definitely familiar with all the drop off places wasn't he? Geo-Note-Yes-he drove by Marks drop off-everyday in the FOIA papers he admits this to Studt and adds that his sister lived out that way-then Jills was where he could see the drop off from a job he had at the time and Kris was off of a road that his brother lived on and Tim was on the road to where his sister was employed... Hi Helen...a couple questions here if you have the time... So J wasn't working at Biff's when Jill was dropped off? Brother T lived near Kris's drop off? I saw that J mentioned living with his brother in Atlanta when he got back from Europe, and assumed that T was maybe attending college in Atlanta at the time...no?
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