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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2012 19:45:02 GMT -5
Someone please tell me what the HELL's wrong with all the people that run this country!!!!!! Both Republicans & Democrats We're "broke" & can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc., ?? In the last years we have provided aid to Haiti , Chile , Pakistan, Libya , Egypt and Turkey, And Japan Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!! Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries! We have hundreds of adoptable children who are shoved aside to make room for the adoption of foreign orphans. AMERICA: a country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without 'needed' meds, and mentally ill without treatment -etc, etc. YET....................... They have a 'Benefit' for the people of Haiti on 12 TV stations, ships and planes lining up with food, water, tents, clothes, bedding, doctors and medical supplies. Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries. Sad isn't it? 99% of people won't have the guts to forward this. I'm one of the 1% -- I Just Did
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 27, 2012 2:20:02 GMT -5
ARCHIVES Old murder case revived By Steve Zucker News-Review staff writer Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:11 PM EST and The Associated Press
When the Michigan State Police and a host of other police agencies announced last week that they are blowing the dust off of four 30-year-old unsolved murder files from Oakland County, one Northern Michigan resident took more than a passing interest.
Petoskey resident Deb Jarvis, who works in the News-Review's circulation department, is the mother of one of the four children who were abducted and slain in Oakland County between February 1976 and March 1977.
The bodies of two boys and two girls were found suffocated after they were missing for a period ranging from three to 19 days. Two had been raped and one was also shot in the face with a shotgun.
The victims included 11-year-old Timothy King, 12-year-old Mark Stebbins, 12-year-old Jill Robinson and Jarvis' daughter, 10-year-old Kristine Mihelich.
Kristine was last seen on Jan. 2, 1977, at a 7-Eleven store near 12 Mile and Oakshire, three blocks from her home where she had walked to buy a magazine. Her body was found at noon on Jan. 21 on a rural road near Telegraph and 12 Mile Road in Franklin Village. Police have long believed that the killings, that drew much media attention, swarms of investigators and terrified suburban Detroit residents for years, are connected.
Police asked Friday for anyone with information on the deaths to report it to police, and said they would begin reanalyzing evidence and leads from thousands of tips using more advanced computer databases and forensic techniques that are now available.
"It's now time to double our efforts and we need your help," state police Detective Sgt. Garry Gray said.
Investigators' last big lead fell apart in November 2000, when DNA from the exhumed body of a suspect failed to match the genetic material in a hair found on one of the suffocated children. Investigators moved the five file cabinets and 15 boxes containing the case files to Oak Park from state police 2nd District Headquarters in Northville so detectives and forensics experts can go back and review evidence.
What has become known as the "Oakland County Child Killer" case horrified the area, where parents feared to let their children out of their sight. All the children were abducted from suburban business areas.
Investigators have said the exhumed man, David Norbert of Wyoming, was not ruled out as a suspect. He had a necklace inscribed with the first name of Jarvis' daughter, Kristine, and his wife, who provided his alibis, later recanted.
Jarvis said she first learned of the renewed investigation efforts when she received a phone call from Berkeley Police Department Sgt. Ray Anger a week ago.
"He's been with us since day one," Jarvis said of Anger, who still works for the police department and still regularly checks in with the family on the status of the case.
Jarvis said she views the news of the renewed investigation with mixed feelings. On one hand, she said, she's encouraged that the case might yet be solved, but the renewed interest brings back a host of horrible memories.
But those memories are never far from her mind anyway.
"I know for a lot of people closure is important, but for me there was closure in the incident itself," Jarvis said. "There isn't a day that's gone by that Kris hasn't been in my thoughts, but you do learn to accept it and you do go on."
Jarvis said she believes that, despite the amount of time that has passed, "somebody out there does know something, it's just a matter of whether they would come forward."
While Jarvis, along with police, believe the murderer could be dead or in prison, she said she hopes the case can eventually be closed.
"I would love it, if for nothing else, for the sake of the police officers who have been involved over the years," she said.
Jarvis, since divorced and re-married, moved to Northern Michigan about 10 years ago when her current husband retired.
She said seeing the "wonderful people" her three other children have grown into, she often wonders what kind of person Kristine, who was the oldest of her children, might have become as an adult.
Jarvis, who until now has told very few people about her daughter's death, said it has been the support of friends, family and the community at large - both at the time of the incident and since - that has sustained her.
"The support of the community was unbelievable - how everybody pulled together," she said. "We've tried to live one day at a time. You do the best that you can. I guess we are all survivors."
Police are asking anyone who might have information about any of the slayings to call a special tip hotline at (248) 584-5755.
Steve Zucker may be contacted at 439-9346, or
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2012 1:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 30, 2012 22:27:23 GMT -5
Lol -Thanks Scott, for sending this post from Topix-I did get a great laugh~
* Ursula wrote: So if they weren't interested in Sloan, then a possible accomplice or associate? Maybe Kevyn would have some insight into the investigation....or death of it. **Les Martin Warren, MI 1 [Clueless] Kevin is not allowed to post anymore but I can tell you Kevin has been aware and researched Sloan several years back. Kevin has some awesome tracking tools. If I want to contact and old girlfriend I just send Kevin an email and presto. I could not find one old girlfriend because I forgot her last name. He found her using only her first name and the city she lived in. Her first name is uncommon.* Note-Ya right-Trust me Kevin Rundel did not do any investigation of Sloan and he has no special tracking tools-He and Les couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag...If the top was open~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 30, 2012 22:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2012 11:52:38 GMT -5
Helen, The kid that fell off the water tower. Three deaths of people who died in tragic ways within 10-12 years that John probably knew...in BIRMINGHAM,MI no less. A place with little major crime! -----Original Message-----
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2012 19:03:19 GMT -5
Lawyers for Oakland County and the state of Michigan urged a federal judge today to dismiss a $100 million lawsuit filed by the mother of victim of the Oakland County Child Killer.
“Long on rhetoric, short on facts,†Deputy Oakland County Corporation Counsel Keith Lerminiaux told U.S. District Judge Denise Page Hood during a 75-minute court hearing in Detroit.
Lerminiaux told Hood that Deborah Jarvis, of Petoskey, has offered no evidence to support her claim that Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, Sheriff Michael Bouchard and their top assistants obstructed efforts by the victims’ families to find out who killed their children so the families could sue the killers.
Both Lerminiaux and Assistant Michigan Attorney General Joseph Froehlich, who represents three state police investigators named in Jarvis’ suit, said Jarvis should have sued in state court decades ago to get answers to her questions. They said she waited too long to file the suit in federal court.
“She didn’t just sit around for 36 years,†countered Jarvis’ lawyer, Paul Hughes of Detroit. He said Jarvis wrongly placed her faith in law enforcement officials to find the killer.
Hughes said there has been an active effort by authorities to conceal information from the families.
Jarvis sued in April. She’s trying to force Oakland County and the state police, whose investigators head up a child killer task force, to turn over the investigation to the U.S. Department of Justice for an independent probe.
Lerminiaux said Hood has no authority to order that.
Hood gave no indication when she might rule on the county and state dismissal requests.
Jarvis’ daughter, Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley, disappeared in January 1977, after leaving a local party store where she had gone to buy a teen magazine. Her body was found 19 days later along a dead-end lane in Franklin. She had been smothered.
The child killer murdered three other children in 1976-'77, according to authorities. They never solved the case.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 2, 2012 0:05:38 GMT -5
Helen, I agree that Busch didn't do it but the Kings think he did. So, I think they do deserve that answer as they were mislead with him being the prime suspect for a few years now. Isn't it a coincidence that John (and his brothers) lived so close to Busch! To me, its not a coincidence. Busch knew at least one person in the Hasings family. I also find it extremely interesting that McKinney's son was with the Hastings brothers on the water tower during Anthony Mitchell's untimely fall. All in the same neighborhood! Can't the police see who they have to ask questions of ? Mitchell's dead. Busch is dead. McKinney Sr is dead. Who is the common denominator? This is so frustrating. Its like the Keystone cops. Seriously. Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2012 1:18:54 GMT -5
Helen, Your still with John on this? Jan *Note-Yes nothing has changed,I haven't seen anything presented,that would cause me to change my mind.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 4, 2012 1:18:40 GMT -5
Helen, Eventually, the occk will be solved but probably not in our life time, but the flame for the truth must be maintained by the one who knows the truth. I will continue to pray for you, in hope that things get better. God bless you both KY
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 9, 2012 1:01:36 GMT -5
I really need you to take a break from sending in email post for Feedback, I just am not finding the time to read them, so they are really piling up~ Thanks,Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2012 6:04:27 GMT -5
Hi Helen, I haven’t really had the time or the inclination to check in on the OCCK case – to be honest – it’s gotten so ridiculous that I don’t even care right now. Of course, that would change with an arrest and conviction, but sadly I’m pretty certain that’s not going to happen anytime soon. Matt
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