Another Look At The Alibi Passport!

[Helen Dagner]

Birmingham Police Dept
Narrative Report - 77-3333

March 3, 1992

I spoke with Captain Watson of the Sheriff’s Department. Based on the information and his review of Helen’s reports, he has no further plans to follow up on this tip, and does not plan to talk with redact (John Hastings - JH - mine) at all.

I spoke with the U.S. Customs Investigator Bouchard at the Detroit office. He will check his records to ascertain if he has any records of JH in or out of the country during the late 70’s. However, he believes that he will not have any luck finding anything. He explained that Customs has a check that they run, but only on random individuals and suspect individuals.

I contacted the Investigative Office of the United Staes Department of State in Chicago. Richard Beckman is the investigator I spoke with. I asked him for information regarding the passport of JH. He said his data base is computerized back to 1978. His files between 1962 and 1977 are, what he calls, miscellaneous files and he said frankly he never had any luck finding anything out of those files. He will get back with me if he can locate any information.

A teletype was also sent with a request for a query investigation from Interpol in Washington, D.C. The request was to as they check with French authorities to determine if that country had a system whereby they kept trak of foreign national’s exit and entry into the country.

Redacted paragraph

I spoke with retired Det. Winklemann and he could not recall specifically interviewing JH. However, he does recall going to the RenCen [where JH worked - Mine] to interview a suspect in 1977. He says he does not recall if he would ever have checked a passport. I spoke with retire Det. Marble. He too said that he could not recall specifically speaking to JH. However, he is sure he did not check anyone’s passport for an alibi when he was working on this case.

[Helen Dagner]

She is aware that JH did go to Europe for an extended periods of time. She believes it was before the divorce, but she can’t really place her finger on it. She knows the JH sold his car to raise some money and worked his way across on a boat. SHe knows he was in Italy, Germany and France. She seems to recall that he ran out of money. He wanted to got o England but was unable to do so. She doesn’t remember how he got home. When she thought about it further, she thought JH may have been in Europe when they were separated or shortly after the divorce. But again she can’t put a date on it. She has no cards or letters that would help fix that date.

COMMENT - This is not the story John tells. He says he flew and went to Brussels. Judi

[Helen Dagner]

The above post was Johns mother at the Birmingham PD Interview-now this post is his oldest sister-(Page 4 of 7

...She indicated that JH told her on the phone, when they talked, that he had his passport and that might document dates he was in Europe. She said he went to Europe alone, worked his way over on a ship and he was gone a couple of months. He had talent as an artist and went to Europe to draw. He was in Rome, Germany, and France. He came back with a lot of drawing and paintings. He drew primarily European architecture. She doesn’t know when or how he got home.)

[Helen Dagner]

Tobias Interviewed John in 1978 and again in 1980-

[Helen Dagner]

When Tobias Interviewed John in 78 and 1980-John never showed up with a passport-nor did he mention that he was out of the country at the time of any of the child murders--So we have at the very least four interviews by cops before the many interviews after I went to the cops in 1992-So John has been on the radar since 1977-and it is 2011 and he is still on the radar-yet no one in LE can get it in focus-The fact is-John was not out of the country for any of the children's death-as how could he have given me all the info he did about each abduction and drop off-and the time spent by the children in captivity-and it was all true???

[Helen Dagner]

Ok-there is many stories about Johns overseas trips-The one he told me-was he flew back from New York into a local Airport, and that his brother picked him up in a truck and they decided to go to Miami to see and stay at his fathers-only problem with that is as of 2004 -John had never been in his fathers Florida home, according to his dad and his step-mother-who said all they had ever heard from John is he called one Christmas-

[Helen Dagner]

Now you have read about the phone call John made to his sister on the day of his polygraph in Alpena-He said to her-"I have my passport-she answered well get out of there get away from those two woman,before they find out the family secret ! She was very upset...then John shouted ...I will go overseas I'll go overseas!!-just like I did before!

[Helen Dagner]

A month before all of this-I had seen two passports at Johns,when he saw me looking at them-he scooped them up and put them in his pocket-Both of the covers on the passports were a like-both looked like they were new-so anyway the next evening when we were hanging out at his apartment-I said to John could I see those passports and he said-I lost them yesterday-I just looked at him...then he proceeded to tell me he was going to go in to the Second passport business--and showed me and envelope and its contents-which told all about it and there was a receipt from the company where he had order a passport-I think the date was 1985--so I said to him-well let me see that one-as I have no idea what a passport looks like inside--but he ignored my request...and from that day on-he carried them both on him 24-7-I was told by the mother of his child-

[Helen Dagner]

So, as things now stand, there is no official confirmation, no recorded transactions, no eye witnesses, no anything to prove that John was anywhere other than Michigan when the killings happened.