Re: Could A Lie Be A Confession?

[Helen Dagner]

Could A Lie Be A Confession?~The reason I asked that question,is because the other night I was watching a TV show-and there was several Investigators on the show-talking about the cases they had worked on-that had gone cold...really cold-and the one Detective told of all the really good leads they had-but they never went any where and the years since the murders had taken place were just rolling by-and this works heavy on the cops-so they started to have a meeting once a month,and all the Investigators would give their own personal in put-and still they couldn't come up with a smoking gun- they had no forensic,no eye witnesses,they had Nada-then when they got together again-they had decided to come up with ways that they had never used to get a confession -out of one of the suspects-everyone was to think of at least one thing,that they thought -would just not work and also one thing that would describe the suspect-this was a lot like-looking to the paper that had fallen to the floor and no one bother to pick it up-because they thought -if it was on the floor and if it had been important surely some one else would have picked it up...what all four of the detectives came up with,and had never discussed before amongst them-was they all felt he was really a big liar and they all also thought there would be NO way of getting this guy to tell the truth-So this is what they came up with-they all went through his police interviews-Individual...each made a list-of all the answers he gave to questions they had thought were relevant-then they all went out to do interviews with the public and relatives he had named-etc. ect.-they gather again at there next's months meeting-wrote up and interview-and voted to see who would get the first crack at the suspect-and I mean they had every single lie he told them covered-and remember they had no smoking gun-one of the questions was-you told us your sister had a calico cat,he said that is correct-and the Interviewer, handle this with the tone -that anyone would have thought that he was talking about the murder weapon -he looked at the guy and said-does your sister have more than one cat-the suspect said no-the interviewer ask -could you have seen the neighbors cat-the suspect said no-the cat was in my sisters kitchen and I fed it-the interviewer said-well are you color blind? The suspect said no-the interviewer said-Why are you lying to me? The suspect said-I am not lying! So he shows the suspect the photo they had taken of the cat-and it was totally black! This type of questioning went on for nearly 5 hours-and the cops had the answers for every insignificant statement he had given them in other interviews -they did not ask him anything of import ants that he had lied about-But the interviewer told him right away-you are guilty you did these crimes-because who would lie about such small details?-no one would-Then they did the good cop bad cop deal-and the good cop asked him are you hunger? ...and the bad cop said-your not giving him any food until he confesses !-then both cops started to argue with each other-but like it was suppose to go down =the good cop won-and they got some take out food for the suspect-after he finish eating-the bad cop started back at him-only this time with the hard question-and they had all they could do to contain them self-as the suspect said-well I can see you are going to find out sooner or later-and he started rattling off everything-and didn't shut up until there was nothing left to say-To be continued~

[Helen Dagner]

I want to give you some time to digest the above-before I get into the Meat of this-What is said above may not register with everyone~ (Yet)~ However I think it will become very clear to most of our readers as we get into this deeper~ I am concerned~ as you will see as I continue....

[Helen Dagner]

I think where I will go now-Is to Video 9-Please pay attention to The Robinsons talking-This was in 1977-and guess what-The same thing is going on now-and this is 2012~ I'm going to tell you why-as soon as you have all listen to this video-Then you will understand-why I have concerns and I will tell you how these have been brought to my attention~ Part 9

Tom Robinson’s complaints on the OCCK investigation and the lack of uniting the families to find commonality, LE Senior Robert Robertson’s approach of keeping the families isolated, Helen documents the 3 other families getting together in 2009, Jill seeing counseling over her premonition of a man killing her and possibly a link, Karol Robinson complains about their LE contact not even knowing the case, art dealer John McKinney’s murder and if it relates, Helen’s find of John’s family having connections to McKinney, description of the wall hanging piece of art stolen during McKinney’s murder with more details than ever revealed before by the convenience of seeing it in John’s apartment in 1992.

[Helen Dagner]

If and when this case is solved, it won't be by exposing a cover up as there was, and is, no cover up. But, what will solve these cases is the asking of new questions. Having the best skilled interviewers question all of those potential witnesses we see in many parts of this case, for example, the two young men, who were seen driving a Firetruck, leaving the area and coming from the direction of Tim's body. A woman walking down that road reported seeing the unusual vehicle and it's two young passengers. Strangely, these two were never followed up on! If they had been followed up on, who knows what could have come of it? There are other people and assumptions that should be thoroughly questioned in new ways as well. Then there are the two boys who went to some guy's door and told him there was a body in the ditch. Why weren't they on record as having been interviewed extensively, and what vehicle were they driving, if any? There are many unasked questions that need to be asked, and answered. This investigation needs to be directed properly, like a symphony needs to be rightly conducted. In my humble, but well informed opinion, the best person for that job would be former Detective Harvey of The Oakland County Sheriff's Department. He knows the questions that need to be asked and he would get the answers. To be continued...

[Helen Dagner]