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Post by Helen Dagner on May 10, 2012 22:39:32 GMT -5
From Bob:
Ms. Dagner
Unfortunately you fail to grasp the facts and efforts made to develop a relationship with Oakland County. Even someone such as yourself that has limited knowledge of the relevant suspects and evidence associated with these cases should understand that after 35 years they have failed to solve any of these child killings.
An intelligent person would understand that there are concerns with the historical activities associated with these investigations. However, it appears you lack such intelligence.
As an associate of mine pointed out if you don't know the facts, which you obviously don't, then maybe you should keep your uninformed options to yourself.
If any one on this board is sincerely interested in bringing to justice those responsible for the killings of at least 15 individuals. Then your time would be best spent demanding that Jessica Cooper turn these cases over to the D.O.J.
Anyone suggesting that this information be turned over to Jessica Cooper under the circumstances must have an IQ below 30.
Ms. Dagner, you are more afraid that the end results will prove you wrong. That you would interfere in this effort to the extent you are that will lead to the arrest and convection of those responsible .
To me that only demonstrates that you are a sad example of a human being.
We will accomplish are objective regardless of your interference.
Since you don't know the facts it is suggested that you keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.
My guess is even after those responsible are convicted you will remain in denial
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 10, 2012 22:41:22 GMT -5
Answer to BOB~Lol-Yes, There sure is someone that doesn't know the FACTS--But hang in there-as they are going to come to light pretty soon now--and NO I don't think you will be seeing The Justice Dept. taking over these cases-as there would be No need to--and as far as your perception of what I am thinking -or believe-It doesn't matter-I do not care who is arrested -or who the Occk could or maybe-I only care that it is the right person-I guess you are lost in that concept though-There are not 15 bodies connected with the Occk killings-I'm not saYING THERE ARE NOT 15 BODIES--as there could be-But I am saying -there is no cult-there is no Satanic ritual-connected with the four Occk victim~ and BOB is full of S----My god do you not realize how stupid and nuttie you all sound--Why didn't BOB do a little digging on his own-over these 6 yrs-Well he will need to contact me for a map-as the bodies are not going to be where he thinks they should be- This haS ALL BEEN LOOKED INTO-YEARS AND YEARS AGO--AND NO YOUR GUESS WILL BE WRONG -AS i AM NOT IN DENIAL NOR WILL i BE-AT THE MOST YOU WILL COME UP WITH-IS A COUPLE OF CHILD MOLESTERS WILL BE ARRESTED-BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT-You seem to for get I didn't just get involved in these cases-I have never been wrong in this case yet-and I have went thru a lot of BS-and I have come up smelling like a rose-because I am really good at this secret squirrel stuff-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 10, 2012 22:55:16 GMT -5
Hey BOB-Can I still sign up for doing an Interview with you??? Your Attorney says Until the 11th-I think I still have 10 min. left~*Detroit attorney Paul Hughes will schedule media interviews with Bob, a confidential source, until Friday, May 11, 2012 that will occur the week of May 14th. Bob said: "These are the only interviews I will provide until the suspects are arrested."~
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 11, 2012 0:04:14 GMT -5
Yep-this is where the problem is~"The Federal level of government is capable of 'seizing' jurisdiction over OCCK or any other criminalcase, I believe, if they feel local authorities are corrupted or obstructing the justice process. Have you submitted a brief, to DOJ yourself? If not, why not? You seem to be implying that you possess knowledge of active obstruction sufficient to convince DOJ to take control, so where's the problem?" *The problem is-that he has nothing on Jessica--except his hate for her- There is NO lost Evidence-There is no Cover-up...and you will be shocked -when you see and hear the investigation -that has gone on with these cases-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 11, 2012 12:29:45 GMT -5
Dear "BOB", I hate to bust your bubble-However someone needs to speak up-I'm sure everyone-can see who has limited knowledge-You didn't even know when the prosecutor started the Oakland County Grand Jury-and certainly it should be mention-that you didn't even have the knowledge to Inform the Attorney,that there was in fact DNA and forensic evident s that matched the 4 occk victims-and then this coming up with the reason" they"-who ever they maybe-started burying the bodies-and the reason you gave -was taken from one of my posts on Tims abduction and drop off-However that is not the only thing you have snatched off the Internet and combined in your presentation-I'm going to hang on to my work product where that is concerned-as I'm sure before we ever get any proof out of you-I will need it-And your right BOB intelligence does play a part in your presentation-and certainly you are lacking in that area-because if you had any you would realize that-you are loosing the public ear on this-you will not last much longer...with out strutting your stuff-and I think you should make yourselves aware of the fact-that not all serial killer cases are solved-you can check that out when your trolling for your Information on the Internet-Now I will give you three points-for coming up with your plan-to discredit the Oakland County Prosecutor 6 months before the election-However-I don't think it will work-even on Topix -there are some pretty sharp posters on here-that do not believe any of your -un proven facts about these cases-"Anyone suggesting that this information be turned over to Jessica Cooper under the circumstances must have an IQ below 30." Why you said that-is a mystery to me,unless you have now put the reading of minds in your act-and lets talk about this BOB-"To me that only demonstrates that you are a sad example of a human being" yep you with your dangling carrot-who says you have had your Info for 6 years-but have not come forward until now-in a child serial murder case -that is going on 36yrs old?? Now I have to ask-what are you using for a brain-and how sad an example of a human being -are you??.BOB If you want my backing-YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME PROOF-And you don't seem to understand that-your story- just doesn't pass the smell test-It is like your dangling carrot-It is dying....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 11, 2012 12:33:11 GMT -5
POSTED THIS AT tOPIX-I am not attacking only asking some questions. I think it would help everyone to understand this a little better if we understood the reason for such anonymity.
Quite obviously the authorities know who Bob is. I imagine the families do too. And I understand that at the end of the day it really is their private business. But these are very public cases and the public has been involved on many levels over the past three decades and are now being asked to help fund this effort with donations. And of course as always with any information they may have to offer.
As we know, much of the information that has surfaced over these many years has been a direct result of someone coming forward and then someone else in the public connecting that person or information to other information. If the public knows who Bob is, maybe there are others that would be spurred to come forward too.
Wouldn’t it help that effort as well as the fund raising to know who it is that is talking? And essentially because of him talking, the public is being told this is huge and the needed funds will be going to a good cause and to finally solve these murders.
Before people part with their money and their trust shouldn’t they know who this person is and decide based on that if this is a credible person and one they should support? Time and effort is one thing, parting with one’s money is a whole other kettle of fish.
I guess that brings me back to the questions. Why such anonymity? Is it because of danger? And if so, then hasn’t it already been established that Bob says that he can name corrupt officials in high places and wouldn’t those involved already know who he is and that he is talking? So why hide? Wouldn’t bringing him into the public eye make him safer? Once everyone knows who he is, it would make it more difficult to harm him to shut him up without outing themselves? And wouldn’t that have already been tried since 2010?
I know this is a hugely emotional set of circumstances. But Bob and his representatives are asking for money and trust. I think they need to give something in return. I think they need to at least let possible contributors know who they are backing, and based on that very crucial information make an informed decision. Right now I think people are not willing to bet on blind trust – someone they know nothing about. Show yourself. Bob, please. lilly
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 11, 2012 13:27:46 GMT -5
Maybe we need to get BOB's juices flowing-This was posted a very long time ago on this site- BOB this is a true or false answer-I know you can handle this -Just give us your answer-we will tell you if it is right.***Missing Since: September 16, 1979 from Warren, Michigan Classification: Non-Family Abduction Date Of Birth: October 21, 1966 Age: 12 years old Height and Weight: 5'5, 105 pounds Distinguishing Characteristics: Blonde hair, blue eyes. Kimberly's nickname is Kim. Clothing Description: A blue sweater and Levi's jeans. The truth about Kim. In 1979 Kim left a friend’s house to make a pay phone call at a nearby party store. Walking back to her friend’s house a neighbor of Kim’s spotted her. Her neighbor L** and his wife and 2 year old daughter lived across the street from Kim. The couple had mentioned a few times to Kim that they might need a baby sitter and asked if she was interested. L** pulled over to ask her if she wanted to make some quick money. He told her he needed Kim to watch his daughter while he and his wife took his mother-in-law to the hospital. The mother-in-law was sick and lived a few blocks over. Kim agreed and got in the car. When she got in the car L** told her that they would go over to his mother-in-laws house and she could call her father from there to let him know where she was. L** then drove 4 blocks away to the mobile home he owned in the neighborhood. He purchased the mobile home in 1973 and lived there until he moved onto D*** street with his new wife and child. Kim had no idea that the house was not the mother-in-laws house. Once inside the house L** yelled for his wife who he knew was not there. When he got to the back bedroom he said “oh my god, come here quick, I think she needs help” Kim rushed to the back room to find it empty except for a king sized bed that filled the room and left little space to walk. L** grabbed Kim and forced her to the bed. For days he had his way with her. No matter how much she struggled she couldn’t get loose. There wasn’t any news report. Nothing was written in the paper. One officer showed up at Kim’s house to take the missing persons report. The police gave her case little attention because they believed she was a runaway. After a few days Kim became weaker and weaker. She barely fought when L** took her tided up body to the bath tub and simply held her under water until the bubbL** stop. Earlier that day L** dug a shallow whole under his mobile home. The mobile homes on both sides were empty. Very few people pay attention to their neighbors in trailer parks where drug addicts and prostitutes live. She was buried next to L**’ first victim an 18 year old girl who went missing 4 years earlier. Kim and L remained together under L**’ trailer home for almost 3 years. L** reburied their bodies on the in-laws property up north. Although L** came from a very violent and deviant family he also married into one. L** once held evidence to tie one of his brother in-laws to a local unsolved murder. He thought if anyone every got close to discovery his secret he could pin the murders on his brother-in-law. Sometime in 1983 L** sent an anonymous letter to the police stating he had killed Kim and buried her in a state park. To this day the local police have never questioned him about her murder. I now appear L** has a heart condition and will never be brought to justice
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 11, 2012 14:31:54 GMT -5
The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults which was broadcast live on April 21, 1986. The two hour special (including commercials) was greatly hyped as potentially revealing great riches or bodies on live television. This included the presence of a medical examiner should bodies be found and agents from the Internal Revenue Service to collect any of Capone's money that might be discovered. When the vault was finally opened the only things found inside were dirt and several empty bottles- People who backed this project- all because of a silly, high-concept stunt by another " BOB" In this case (Geraldo Rivera)-were very upset that "BOB" failed to deliver on its titillating promise." So my question to " BOB" is did you contact the medical examiner??
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 12, 2012 13:22:45 GMT -5
Ms. Dagner,
Seems you missed this media report:
Ike McKinnon is mentioned in the lawsuit. Two years ago, McKinnon put authorities in touch with a mystery man who knew a lot about the Oakland County Child Killer case.
"After this meeting he stopped calling," McKinnon said. "Maybe we lost a
person who had a great deal of information."
Unlike you Ms. Dagner, Mr. McKinnon was in charge of the Detroit Sex Crimes Unit at the time, and knew first hand what was going on in these cases.
Considering the fact that only after Mr. McKinnon and Bob had several conversations related to information no one in the public is aware of, or information that investigators were not aware of, did he contact officials from the Oakland County Prosecutor and Sheriff’s Office and urge them to attend this meeting. Which surprise, surprise, they did.
So according to an ignorant individual, who will remain nameless Ms. Dagner, who knows nothing about the new suspects and evidence developed. Your explanation as to why a former chief of police, who was directly involved in these cases, sets up a meeting at his office that was so unimportant that two high ranking officials from Oakland County decided to attend because Walton and McCabe had nothing better to do that day?
How many meetings have you had with any Chief of Police, Walton, and McCabe? Yes, you are so right; these people dropped everything to attend this meeting because there was nothing else for them to do that day.
And I would imagine in your world someone going on the record such as McKinnon, who was not only at the meeting but was advised of certain information prior to the meeting that caused him to set up this meeting, would go on the record with this statement:
"After this meeting he stopped calling," McKinnon said. "Maybe we lost a person who had a great deal of information."
Bob may have stopped calling because of the lies conveyed by McCabe and Walton at this meeting, but never stopped pursuing this matter.
Ms. Dagner, my guess is that when you die Geraldo will be there when they open up your skull during the autopsy. The only difference is when they open up your skull there will be no surprises when all they find is “dirt, lots of unoccupied space, and several missing brain cells.”
It is suggested that you leave the investigating to the professionals, keep your uninformed and ridiculous speculations as it relates to these cases to yourself, and find a pastime that is better suited for you.
One such as shaking your head and trying to figure out how many marbles you have lost.
To say your assertions and opinions come from a world that only exists in what is left of your mind would be an extreme understatement. Helen Dagner
Petoskey, MI 1 min ago You see Facts-this is the kind of garbage that gets you in so deep-#1-No one even a moron would result to your type of attacks on me-If you had any thing of value-What I have posted to you-Is not just my thoughts-Your the laughing stock of the whole Occk Saga-and as for that write up -I had it posted long before you did on my site-Really I never miss a thing-when it comes to these cases-Now why did he call the meeting-who knows-we are still wondering why he told Lawson,that he could molest kids-in order to nab some pedophiles~ It is all a mystery to me why people do what they do~You your self are already backing down on your original news releases-Because you know and I know-That you are working on something all together different than the Occk 4-because you can not connect them to any other cases-sounds to me like you want to be a Big hero-I can hardly wait to see how that turn's out for you-You think even if 15 bodies were found--That anyone is going to say--Look -He solved the Oakland County Child Murders-NO BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE GAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOUR OCCK VICTIMS-and really that is ALL I am interested in-So Please do not blame me -that your little game isn't going like you planned- I bet the donations aren't coming in like you thought they would either...Yes I can see the anger in your posts-....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 12, 2012 22:16:48 GMT -5
You see Facts-this is the kind of garbage that gets you in so deep-#1-No one even a moron would result to your type of attacks on me-If you had any thing of value-What I have posted to you-Is not just my thoughts-Your the laughing stock of the whole Occk Saga-and as for that write up -I had it posted long before you did on my site-Really I never miss a thing-when it comes to these cases-Now why did he call the meeting-who knows-we are still wondering why he told Lawson,that he could molest kids-in order to nab some pedophiles~ It is all a mystery to me why people do what they do~You your self are already backing down on your original news releases-Because you know and I know-That you are working on something all together different than the Occk 4-because you can not connect them to any other cases-sounds to me like you want to be a Big hero-I can hardly wait to see how that turn's out for you-You think even if 15 bodies were found--That anyone is going to say--Look -He solved the Oakland County Child Murders-NO BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE GAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOUR OCCK VICTIMS-and really that is ALL I am interested in-So Please do not blame me -that your little game isn't going like you planned- I bet the donations aren't coming in like you thought they would either...Yes I can see the anger in your posts-.... Helen Dagner * 2 You know FACTS-Instead of consentrating on what I think and say- shouldn't you be answering others- like Lilly-This is part of her post above-maybe you should go read it-....and try to answer it- Lilly said~Wouldn’t it help that effort as well as the fund raising to know who it is that is talking? And essentially because of him talking, the public is being told this is huge and the needed funds will be going to a good cause and to finally solve these murders. Before people part with their money and their trust shouldn’t they know who this person is and decide based on that if this is a credible person and one they should support? Time and effort is one thing, parting with one’s money is a whole other kettle of fish. Helen Dagner Petoskey, MI 3* I'm surprised you have so much time for posting and changing the judging marks-I thought you would be getting ready for all those News Interviews-that you have schedule for next week....You do have more than CH 4 Defenders,right? Will any of them be call in from the public? I hope so as I sure have a lot of questions-I want to ask you-while you are on the air- Helen Dagner Petoskey, MI * Facts~ I will tell you this-When I see the Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper-Stand up and waves to you... and yell's-BOB.... COME.... ON ....DOWN!! Then I will pay a little more attention to what you have to say-until then...it is not going to happen.... Helen Dagner Petoskey, MI * www.kickstarter.com/projects/680563746... Wonder How This "BOB" and his book is doing-? Les Warren, MI * Helen, Everyone knows you and I don't mix but right is right and wrong is wrong. Right now you are righter than right and it will all come out in the wash. Helen Dagner Petoskey, MI * Les wrote: Helen, Everyone knows you and I don't mix but right is right and wrong is wrong. Right now you are righter than right and it will all come out in the wash. Thanks Les,for taking the time to post your thought on this matter-It is just so sad-That it has come to this-I am hearing from so many people-that I can not even read or answer them all-and I just do not know what to say to them- they waited all these years to hear from Kris' Mom,and they are just dumfounded....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 13, 2012 12:02:47 GMT -5
King's law partner, David Binkley of Troy, who has been involved in the case, told the Detroit Free Press, he doubts Bob's credibility. "If Bob is right, he needs to bundle up his files... and turn them over to law enforcement," Binkley said.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 13, 2012 14:06:10 GMT -5
Withgreatrespect-posted on Topix~This is very disturbing to read, but not for the reasons it's author expects it to be. When someone apparantly confesses involvement in the deaths of the four OCCK victims, to Helen over coffee in a public place, and someone who overheard them verifies the conversation took place, THAT is a genuine lead - real evidence demanding further investigation. When a colleague tells Truth Dude that a suspect in the death of his childhood friend failed lie detector tests, THAT is a genuine lead and real evidence. I haven't seen any reason to believe that Bob has any such leads or evidence. It appears that what he does have, is his own retro-active analysis of previously known information - a theory, in other words. This is exactly how Bob's info is described on this media account: "Hughes wouldn't disclose any details of the individual's theories..." www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/04/25/news/cops_and_courts/doc4f97013a6d661140425783.txt?viewmode=2
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 13, 2012 14:08:33 GMT -5
Withgreatrespect-Posted on Topix~Again, from that Oakland Press story: "The lawsuit also contends a meeting involving Oakland County Undersheriff Mike McCabe, Oakland County Chief Assistant Prosecutor Paul Walton, former Detroit Police Chief Ike McKinnon, a reporter with The Associated Press and an unknown individual investigating the case for Jarvis took place in 2010 at McKinnon’s home. The meeting was held at the request of the unknown individual seeking access to the case for a particular address"
It appears that "Bob" was so convinced of his own brilliance that he believed he could demand OCCK investigators accept him as a partner, and share confidential case evidence with him - and when they declined his offer, started threatening to punish them for the 'insult' of failing to perceive & acknowledge his status as a Superior Investigator to them:
"Attached to the lawsuit was an email sent by the individual in July 2011 to Michigan State Police Detective Sgt. Dave Robertson, stating his findings will be turned over to the FBI because of their refusal to supply him with the address"
Hopefully, he did give his info to the FBI, as he threatened to do. It's in the hands of capable authorities capable of assessing it's value. So what's with the lawsuit, etc. Is it all about the egotistical arrogance revealed by this:
"It is suggested that you leave the investigating to the professionals, keep your uninformed and ridiculous speculations as it relates to these cases to yourself, and find a pastime that is better suited for you"
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 14, 2012 5:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 14, 2012 12:30:16 GMT -5
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