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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 22:30:58 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 22:51:04 GMT -5
So Bob ,You think a Satanic Cult was Involved? Well Lets go with the first one that was brought to my attention -In-2005- 2006 then again in 2008~ * My contact said-"Look I'm not trying to be funny and am very nervous about sending you any information. But you seem to be the person most interested for the longest time in solving this case.
Frankly, this might sound stupid but I get feelings about things psychic like. I hadn't thought about John or the OCCK stuff since the last time I contacted you, several years ago.
BTW when you described the drive with John and him going into a trance, that same thing was described by my friend, that's what made me contact you. It snowed today in Detroit, does that mean anything, the hell if I know. I'm just trying to be helpful.
If their was a Devil house which contained any DNA evidence, that would blow this thing wide open, that's what I'm hoping will be the result of my correspondence with you.
Since I just got the feeling two days ago, I haven't had a chance to talk to my friend who knew John.
John did date Deb Jarvis, Kristine Mihelich mother when this stuff was happening. I'm positive Det. Anger knows who John is.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 22:54:10 GMT -5
Then my contact emailed me~John was a grounds keeper or something at the Krege Cottages and had keys. I will be talking to my friend over the weekend and will provide more details. I sent you the address of the devil house and exact location of the cottages a couple years ago. to this same email address.
John lived off and on at the devil house in 76-77.
I will be talking to my friend over the weekend ask for the details once again. This is all hear say, so I don't know if will amount to much.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 22:56:34 GMT -5
Then I received this~I meant to say Kresge Estate Cottages I believe they were located at Haggerty and 8 mile in detroit. I will have to check with my friend to find out the exact location.
As for the devil house it was a private house owned by a professor at Wayne State University, in Detroit south of 7 mile between woodward and livernois. Again, I will contact my friend for exact addresses.
My friend remebered the address of the devil house and the exact location of the Kresge cottages.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 22:59:08 GMT -5
...and the emails kept coming~My interest in this case is simple, I was 8 years old when this stuff happen, I went to Pattingale elementary at the same time Kristine did. A very close friend, has known John Quarton for years and suspected he was involved in the OCCK. John hung out with some strange people in the 70's that claimed to be psychic's and my friend suspected some of his friends from the "Devil House" were into satanic rituals. My friend has no concrete proof, but to this day believes John was the OCCK or was involved. My friend had met Kristines mom as John's girlfriend just before her daughter turned up missing. John Q. was at the water tower with Anthony Mitchell, this I know to be fact from my friend. As I'm not interested in creating problems in anyones life, if my friend is mistaken about John being the OCCK, an innocent mans life could be ruined by this kind of stuff. It's been 30+ years and he's already been interviewed many times over. I've never been a fan of psychologist, but the fact he's a child psychologist, could suggest this was all an experiment to see how the children would react under certain conditions. When the experiment stopped so did the killing. Or it could've been part of some satanic ritual. These are my own personal theories. But it's horrible waht happen to those children, and since I lived in Berkley at the time and walked to that 7/11 and Harftfield lanes often alone, it could've been me that turned up dead. If you John or the one I'm writing about were involved, justice should be served. Again, this is all hear say, but I'd be interested to find out if Kristines mom ever suspected John.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:01:54 GMT -5
That's about all I can think of I gave you my original stuff regarding the Devil house in detroit and him being a caretaker on the grounds of the Kresge mansion. I can't remember too many more details from what my friend told me, but my friend is petrified everytime we talk about this.
I have children of my own and would lose my mind if something like this happen to them. If someone who could do this to children is still out their roaming the streets, they should be taken down.
Goodluck, I hope your efforts pay off, if the person who did this is brought to justice a lot of people will feel much safer. I'm 40 years old and talking about this stuff still scares the hell out of me. I guess living in Berkely in the mid 70's and the OCCK unsolved case leaves an impression on you.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:04:40 GMT -5
He said ~" You're welcome to share what I write with the authorities, but please don't share this with the public, since it may affect an ongoing investigation or put people I care about in harms way. Although, I suspect whatever John was trying to prove in his own mind, he likely would not jeopardize his life by killing again."
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:06:59 GMT -5
...and then he said~Not sure about all that. But the ride my friend took where John went into a trance (immediately after Kristine was found), when it started to snow and the fact he dated Kristine's mom tells me something isn't right. I suggest if you still have any contact with Det. Anger, you ask him about the boyfriend of Kristine's mom. He was an initial suspect and the stress alone could have made him act very strange. But the fact that Kristine was held for 19 days, longer than any other victim seems like a strange coincidence. As for John attending Lawrence Tech and OCC, could he have lied to you? Have the police ever verified that the John you are talking about was in fact questioned? Could he have lied about his name? Does his yearbook picture look exactly like he does as an adult? The John I know of, was very popular and inteligent, but an introvert at the same time. He drove a 1973 Triumph which could have easily been mistaken for a Gremlin: www.philseed.com/images/tr-gt6a.jpg Again, I suggest you ask Det. Anger if they ever followed up on Kristine's moms boyfriend and investigated him. John's family was very powerful in Oakland county, let's just say one of the top 10 families in Birmingham during the 60's and 70's. Lakes and Roads are named after them. ----- Original Message ----
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:09:29 GMT -5
Then he asked~~"Are you sure that your John provided you with his REAL last name? I know for a fact, from a close personal friend who has known John and Mary since childhood, they said John and his brother were at the Water Tower when Anthony fell off and died. Further, Johns father was best friends with William Mitchell,Vice President of General Motors. So how are we not talking about the same John, unless your John gave you a false name. My John was a suspect and questioned by the police and came from a semi affluent family in Birmingham. He has an older brother who is very wealthy. John did complete college in 1973, so the fact you state he didn't go to college does not make sense to me either."
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:11:37 GMT -5
Helen, I received additional information from someone who knew JQ and is confident he's the OCCK. They said he was dating Kristine Mihelich mom when the disappearance took place. I know that is not published anywhere. He was a suspect, but no follow up has ever taken place. John is currently a Child Clinical Psychologist in Michigan. He graduated from NMU in 1973. They also knew John when the Mitchell boy fell from the tower and said, John changed after that happen.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:18:48 GMT -5
As this has been exaustively investigated, I doubt I can shed any light on this matter. I do not feel comfortable naming someone whom, I only have heard stories and no concrete proof. I have not heard of any admission and that was a frightening time. I was a young child living in Berkely, so it is a fearful subject for even me to talk about. Everything I've heard is just rumor. It's curious though that your John's story is similiar to the John I have heard Rumors about. Could this have been some sorta game people play, creating suspicion upon themselves concerning the events that took place. If so it is a scary game. I'd like to think that justice will be served and those who are guilty will have their day. I wish I could pprovide more information, but I don't have anything of real substance.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:21:12 GMT -5
The Person Above Who Sent The Info Is 49 now~I think~
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:44:35 GMT -5
Ok~ I found some 2005~Hello Helen: I thought I sent you an email the other day but it appears it did not send To the last of my reccolection Mary is a realtor. And a lake in the community they grew up in, bears the same name. I was a child back in 1976. People close to me, family members suspected JQ was the OCCK. I had overheard them talking about satanic ritual type nuts back then. I was so young I barely knew what sex was. I remember them talking about the suspected sick f--- having sex with their dead bodies. From what I remember they were freaked out and very scared of him. I don't think they realized I was standing outside the door listening. The drive and the zoning out when it snowed happen to someone close to me. He freaked out and questioned this person, as if to identify who turned him in. I believe this person always let me know what was suspected, incase they ever turned up missing or dead. Evidence, I don't have. People that may be able to link him to other abductions, children who lived to stay silent, but recently recall some of the people involved and what happen to them and others, this I might be able to help with. As I said, I'm reluctant to mention to much since this whole subject freaks me out. On the otherhand, it is possible, JQ is just a sadistic f--- that get's off on people thinking he is more evil than he is, I've had friends make up some pretty sick stories, to make you think they did something, when they really didn't just to get a rise out of you and feel superior. I hope what I wrote makes sense, but I know people are still scared I'd like this scarry feeling in my head to stop. I may have even been one of the children messed with. Things are very fuzzy back then.... and I remember somethings seem very clouded around that time. I'm starting to wonder if I was sparred, because a deal to stay silent was made...
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2012 23:50:14 GMT -5
I have many many more~Do I believe any of the above-not really-I did try to contact Kris Mom about the mention of her name-several times-However the phone number I talked to her before at was not working-and the Petoskey News was unable to give out her number-as she was no longer working there-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 7, 2012 0:00:31 GMT -5
Will get to the cop~and the Body locations next~
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