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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 3:18:36 GMT -5
cloakdagner.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=issues&action=display&thread=1563 This is what he is using for bait--TruthDude Chowchilla, CA | Judge it! | #9674 2 hrs ago Judged: [Funny] 1 [Spam] 1 [Nuts] 1 pbdbn wrote: Lawson never said that. That's hear say that's been passed around. I think you know that. PBDBN, NO SIR, I meant what I said exactly as stated. This was stated to a law enforcement source within the last two years by Lawson as stated. However, as a convicted felon, his word (like Helen's) can't be taken at face value; but is on the record for further input or other later corroboration. I don't know if it is true or not, but please don't in such an arrogant tone tell me what I know or don't know. I want to believe your heart is in this for all the right reasons too, even if you and I got off to a rough start here a couple of months back.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 3:27:06 GMT -5
We will be taking Email Posts and Phone Posts on this~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 3:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 3:31:48 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 3:44:43 GMT -5
Helen, I won 10 Bucks, When I read this post that Paterick made on Topix. (TruthDude
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withgreatrespect wrote:
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I'm not clear on how the grand jury system works in Michigan, or if there is only one set of parameters operating across all States. Does a grand jury have to return indictments? Can they make rulings/ determinations about who the perpetrators of a crime were likely to have been, if those persons cannot be brought to trial (i.e. they are deceased)?
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Grand Juries are called upon by Prosecutors, under a Judge's observation, to review evidence the Prosecutor brings forward. No Defense Attorney is present, and rather the role of the grand jury, by simple majority vote in most cases and places; is to vote to indict or not to indict; wherein someone would be charged and brought to trial.
Lawson claimed from prison that his former pedophile partner in crime used to get boys for H. Lee Busch, Chris Busch's father; but without further proof you have to wonder about such a claim from a felon, right ? If true, it adds a whole new paradigm to the case as to who was at the top of the pyramid of this pedophile ring, or at least could fund it, and cover it up. The Money Man from GM ? You don't get much more powerful than that in the 70's in Detroit !!! If not true, then just another dead lead, or lie by a felon.) * I thought when I read it,that with in a few days he would work your name into the next post,so i made a bet with another reader and he is so predictable. So he posted your name tonight over at Topix. He is such a low life dirt bag! Doesn't he know that we all think he is full of it? Yes, he is a real professional,AH! Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 13:33:49 GMT -5
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Truthdude,
Word of advice....those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It was YOU that just couldn't keep your mouth shut where Helen was concerned.
I fail to believe that any proud member in good standing with the APA would make a claim as broad that ALL convicted felons are liars. Hmmm...no bias there - how does that work in your career? Do you actually look at the test? Or, is it just more efficient to mark "fail - liar!" on the results because they had a felony 10...20 or 30 years ago?
Finally, maybe you need to go back and read some of your accusations towards Helen - then read your own posts. Anyone who didn't subscribe to your theories quit posting here months ago.
That is all, I'm out again....this board makes me sick.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 22:17:49 GMT -5
Helen,you do know this guy is crazy,don't you? After reading this post of Patricks ,it is very clear to everyone that I have talked to,that he told us more about the sleazy person he is,than he said about you,here is that Slimy Bastards post"
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Wow Helen,
Your Alive !!! and on Good Friday too. I thought you would put off rising from the dead until Sunday LOL !!! It would appear that you failed to do your research, so let me fill you in dear. Yes, I turned in a renwal application for the APA in 3/06. You failed to mention your knowledge that I had a stroke in 12/05. As stated, the application was "Incomplete" with blank spaces, much of which was due to my paralyzed condition. I entered into an agreed disposition with the committee as even I had to agree that from my wheelchair I would be held to the highest standards, and should have asked for help in that task. Mia Copa ! I am a member today, and in fact just got my new membership card in the mail the other day. Would you like me to mail you a copy of it, or fax it ? You want to be critical of me pregnant dog ? At least get the context right !!! Rather than be on the logical defensive for who you are, what you have done here; you attack like a rabid pregnant dog dog whose diseased brain knows no other way. That's okay, I can take it as I make a living wrestling truth out of lower rung mutts like you on a weekly basis. Just stop lying to the families and start dealing with what is real, rather than imagined or wished for serving your own interests.
My comment Helen where I mentioned you was not a pesonal attack, and rather pointing out your legal status under the law as a convicted felon. That law provides that those in that status can't do certain things such as testify or own a gun among others. It would seem you have more in common with the perpetrators we speak of here as a con woman and felon than you do with the actual posters who seem to come here for altruistic reasons of the heart.
For a couple of decades now you have sought to be some kind of Guru in this case. There is no better test than time itself, and which as a tool has shown your obsession with this John H. guy has lead nowhere. Law enforcement has told me personally you are a KNOWN and CONFIRMED liar, and that as a person you enjoy no credibility by them, further topped off with felon frosting to boot due to fraud, if there was any remaining doubt. The victim's families have found you on a personal level to be a liar by your own deeds and words independent of anything I have ever said.
Perhaps a cleaning of, and a long look in your mirror is overdue, and wherein you would see that rather that being some prophet or blessing to us all, or Guru in this case; the legacy you leave is that you have become the anus of it, and with each passing day or posting we endure your further flatulence. On this Good Friday I do wish you an early Happy Easter, and ask that you reflect upon who you are, what you've done to the very people you said you were trying to assist who now hate you, and perhaps prepare for the next world from your supposed terminal disease. We are at the end of "Lent", and may I say you have lent this case much less fact, and much more self serving and self-agrandizing fiction, and perhaps even now you already entombed in that legacy."XXXX I say let us all give him a cyber smack down,that he will never forget!! Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 22:36:12 GMT -5
Matt,How about we just Ignore him?-that will get to him a lot worst,then just repeating all his sins. This type of person whose hatred is covered by deceit,his wickedness shall be shown before everyone,in the Bible it says many times that a false witness shall not be unpunished and he that speak-est lies shall perish-Even a child is known by his doings,whether his work be pure and whether it be right-However for some reason -Patrick doesn't think any of this apply s to him, he just keeps on blaming others for his lack of morals. I don't even think he recognizes that he has a problem,so why waste any time trying to rehabilitate him? He will get his just desserts-his kind always does~Look at his friends...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 0:44:29 GMT -5
I do not have time to deal with all of Patricks Trash talking tonight-However I should comment on this so he can get with the Tale Barer before I ,comment further on this...This is out of a long post on Topix,that he just made-and as always he does not have his facts correct-(Nodoby has held you to any standard, and you are a documented LIAR having not turned over promised evidence you (1) Claimed you had to law enforcement, and later admitted to lying about it.(2) Further, not six weeks ago you stated on this very forum that "YOU" were the only known person to have seen a picture of Timmy King while he was held in captivity. You did so only to further your obsessive story about JH claiming that pic came from him. In reality, you are a high tech pathological liar.) See Patrick here is what makes you look absolutely stupid-Now I know where you got that Info from-But I also know as much as Judi likes to stir the pot-She wouldn't have used those words -when she was feeding you info so you could get to me-How do I know that-because it isn't true-I did not lie to LE about anything and Never did I promise to turn anything over to them-and I have never lied to LE and then admitted to lying about anything- Now about the photo of Tim-I stand completely behind what I thought I saw in Johns Photo box-In fact I stand behind everything I have said over the past 20yrs-and the reason I can say that-is because-I can prove everything I have ever said--and that gives me great confidence when it comes to shyster like you--The very fact that everything you have said about me is completely false-leads me to believe you are having mental problems on a large scale...because I am not the only person you have pull this on-you have a pattern of going on forums,that is documented-by several different victims of yours-and it is all on line for anyone to view-they just have to Google your name-Now I will expect you and Judi to get this little Fib you are telling cleared up-before I come back to post...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 16:39:24 GMT -5
"Judi~ You need to clear this up with Patrick-"What about you M'am ? Nodoby has held you to any standard, and you are a documented LIAR having not turned over promised evidence you (1) Claimed you had to law enforcement, and later admitted to lying about it.(2)~*Before it gets ugly... "
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Think Hard, who do you and I have in common in law enforcement. Who is also disgusted with you with the lies you have told to him, and wasted countless hours of his time only to be let down in the promises you made ? Judi ? Who is Judi ? Trying thinking about some current individuals on the task force who know you, and know about you M'am.
By the way, and just to be clear, I was ALWAYS courteous to you on Topix and gave you credit for your archival work in this case, up until you chose to go in the gutter with me tell me to shut the F*** up, or other choice words. You brought us to where we are now by your tone and temperment. Pat
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 16:46:54 GMT -5
19 116 Yesterday at 6:05pm by Helen Dagner in Comments & Questions [ ] Polygraph operator Patrick T. Coffey-Sends Helen Email Blaming Sgt. Cory Williams & covering up For Judi Colman,But Wait There Is More!~ "Judi~ You need to clear this up with Patrick-"What about you M'am ? Nodoby has held you to any standard, and you are a documented LIAR having not turned over promised evidence you (1) Claimed you had to law enforcement, and later admitted to lying about it.(2)~*Before it gets ugly... " Helen, Think Hard, who do you and I have in common in law enforcement. Who is also disgusted with you with the lies you have told to him, and wasted countless hours of his time only to be let down in the promises you made ? Judi ? Who is Judi ? Trying thinking about some current individuals on the task force who know you, and know about you M'am. By the way, and just to be clear, I was ALWAYS courteous to you on Topix and gave you credit for your archival work in this case, up until you chose to go in the gutter with me tell me to shut the F*** up, or other choice words. You brought us to where we are now by your tone and temperment. Pat Oh Patrick you don't get it! I don't know which is worst -to be lied about or to have someone lie to cover up someone else lies--You must think I'm a real Air head-or you are truly nuts-Cory didn't tell you that and if he did-what does that say about him-No the only one you could have gotten that from is Judi-when she was trying to get some Info out of you on a polygraph that one of her family members wanted her to take-and that iinfo about me-was to be your reward-It is all laid out on Topix-The reason -I am so sure that Cory never told you any of what you emailed me on-Is because it is not true-and as much as Cory likes to flap his Gibbs-he knows better than to say anything about me-as he is aware how deep my grapevine goes-and NO I didn't waste Cory's time-So I know he didn't tell you that either- and I am getting real sick of you-you make up stuff and then post it like there is some truth to it-You should truly be ashamed of your self--I do realize that you are being fed a lot of BS-But if you were a real professional-you would be able to sort this stuff out for your self--and saying the family's have been hurt by my telling about the photo I saw of Tim--Trust me they have known this for years-see here in lies the problem-all this stuff you are claiming-Cathy could clear it up in a min.she knows that none of it is true-But she to-can not handle the facts-it upsets her-when I don't agree with her-but the reason I don't -is because I know better-and I also know that she knows better-I guess I should be expected to not stick up for Chris Busch-But someone needs to as certain people have been really taking advantage of the fact that he is dead-and can not respond to all these allegation being made about him and his family-I get it-Chris was not a nice guy-but he never killed anyone-and there was No blood on any rope in his bed room-and he did not have sex with young people in his back yard-and there was no hidden room in his parents home-and the list goes on and on-But no one can provide any proof -of anything -where Chris was connected to the Occk-It is all just hear say... |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 17:36:24 GMT -5
Now Patrick-Your wrong about someone not being able to testify at a grand jury -who has a felony-Now I didn't look this up-However I was asked in 1992 -If I would appear before a grand jury in the Occk case-Now here is something else for you to think about-If your triple hear say info-was so important-and you say it was since 2007-then why did the Cops fly out to Atlanta in 2009-to interview John-and then why did John take a polygraph-again?...and those bags of "Stuff"-that they took out of Busch' house-do you really THINK ANYONE WENT THRU THAT AT THE Lab?? ..and if they did-do you think they would have kept it a secret-?? You know so little about Police Investigations-and what is evidence-my gosh-you still do not realize you have been a patties-It wasn't that anyone really believed you--they just used your info so they could get a search warrant-Yes-you would have been a big Hero-had they been able to find anything-but they didn't so now you have got to get over it-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 17:46:28 GMT -5
Wow… he’s so not worth it Helen. Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 17:49:42 GMT -5
LOL Patrick – the a--hole! Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 17:51:59 GMT -5
LOL….”cess-pool” Jim
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