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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 14:30:16 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 14:38:19 GMT -5
Censuring polygraph operator Patrick T. Coffey for providing inaccurate information in an application for renewal of his APA membership. Is not that -Lying? and all this bashing on the Internet--Isn't this like the Pot calling the Kettle black??
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 14:48:21 GMT -5
He just doesn't learn-I have proved that everything he has said about me is Wrong-and the man still grabs at every opening -trying to discredit me--I guess he doesn't realize that most people are laughing at him-- I sure would like to see anyone's proof ,over this latest stink they are trying to make into something-Now I'm responsible for Sheila Shrock? I guess they are at a loss for information about the actual Oakland County Child Murder case-they must be-as they sure all spend their waking hours on looking for stuff about me that they can talk about..and all they are doing is talking to each other-you would think they could do that by a mass email-how much time would it take them to notify 7 people?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 15:08:29 GMT -5
How much differance a week or so can be-Patrick posted this answer to a poster at Topix who didn't have anything in her post to boost his ego-
#9536 pbdbn wrote: <quoted text> You know what, I'm not even reading this... It's like talking to Helen. Your insults of the last post was enough. You are no one, get over yourself !
PBDBN,
Okay pal, I'm nobody to you. That works for me, as you offer nothing to the case thus far other than to defend Gunnels as a devil's advocate. However, both law enforcement and the families, and myself, have determined through sound legal and investigative principles that he has been less then fully honest so far, can offer more if he will take the affirmative step, and there is not an interest in further punishing him. I concur with you that he is an institutionalized person who will not come out of that mode overnight.
I will keep my ego out of this in favor of my neighbor boy's case, but I know I am somebody to you like it or not. You see, I'm the guy your taxpayer dollars bought the medals they placed on my Naval uniform. I"m the guy you paid to send to Iraq to train others there in my field so they would be able to deal with terrorists directly when capatured. I'm the guy who day in and day out as you lead your nice quiet life have gone up against every type of criminal you ever imagined, and maybe some you have not. I'm nobody to you ? Fine, let's keep it that way for your pretend little liberal world. I don't know if you are anyone to me or not, but I keep it open that you could be. May I ask by way of introduction just what PBDBN means ? Sounds like a periodic table of elements formula or something, or maybe a hip hop group, not sure; I don't want to say it doesn't mean much, as it means something to you right ? Note however today-he posts this to the same person-(#9638
#9638 pbdbn wrote: Okay so, those two murders are solved. Hastings did neither. Helen lied, Hastings lied. Dude wonders who will be indicted that's still alive. No one on here has the true facts or is even close except for the King sister who had to post some pretty sad things to get one person to back off. IF they name anyone ?? It will be related to Bennett. Even then, the grand jury is only hearing what LE wants them to. I agree, this case was solved years ago. .
Hello PBDBN,
I agree that Helen lied as recently demonstrated by the claim of seeing pic of Tim King held in captivity. As a convicted felon, it is presumptive under the law that she is not a reliable source; but in fairness is given credit for her archival work in this case seperate and apart from her obsession suspect in JH.
It is puzzling to me though about JH. I look to the motivation for his lies, and what their nature is. When someone claims to have committed a murder, and even multiple murders to one, and even two or more people; there must be some pathology involved if it is not true. Something like an inferiority complex or small man's complex where one needs to feel empowered. If true then such a pattern would follow him whereever he moved and lived, and among his coworkers and associates as a way to check this as consistent or not. Such persons do not lie about everything, but rather only with those whom they feel then want to impress and feel superior to. I am unclear as to if when he did this whether Helen already had her felony(ies) conviction(s) or not, but if so he may have lied to her without fear of her being able to be used against him in testimony as a felon. Just a thought.
May I say that you and I got off to a bad start here a few pages back; and at a time wherein I was under attack by Helen as just one in a long line of succession of posters here. I am sorry if you caught any offshoot of that as she brought out the worst in me, which is a quality I'm told she possesses in abundance. I have been pleased in seeing the higher level of shared points and communication here since then in her absence; and hope to be a part of that as well in the vacuum of her vindictiveness and her further vacancy of veracity.
I agree with your point about Bennett, and further feel that any grand jury considerations will be incomplete without the beneift of testimony by Charles Busch, the Busch nephews, James Gunnels, and perhaps Bennet himself. Otherwise, law enforcement and the prosecutors will be reaching out to those already in prison; some of whom have made recent claims worthy of further investigation, but who also suffer from felonious reputations.
THANKS (Note-Does anyone else see a pattern here? He is absolutely obsessed with me as other have been-I find the people who have very little knowledge of this case-re-act strongly-I mean lets face it-a guy that did something unethical and got Censored for it-That it is public Knowledge -Isn't that like the Pot calling the Kettle black??
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 16:33:16 GMT -5
Helen, I am glad you are checking this Dude out,after all he wants us to believe his story about the other polygrapher saying Busch confessed to him.Yet the very fact that he was censored for putting false information down on his APA form,he should be looked at. That is a lot more questionable,than having a business go bad. You have proven time and again that the people over at Topix do not know what they are talking about,they do not even realize how they come off to a reader that stops by. I for one being familiar with the cases,find nearly ever post has and incorrect statement. Even the Fact guy,just doesn't have his facts right,Kim worthy had her Grand Jury going before Oakland County ever started theirs,so Jessica would not have called her to start one up. This could have been checked out on the Internet in any of the Grand Jury stories that were in the news Media, but no they think they know it all,and they must think the rest of us are just plain stupid! Rick N. ~~~~Truth Dude
San Bruno, CA | #9640
Notles wrote: Helen has been taking quite an ass whipping lately. And probably well deserved. I don’t miss her vicious attacks. Reasoning seems to be giving her butt rash a chance to heal. However I hope Helen is not succumbing to her illness. I don’t want Helen to pass on or go away. I don’t want her to eat her filthy words. She is a legend. To be honest it would be wonderful to see all her hard work pay off. It probably already has but I don’t think Helen would understand that unless they determine that John was involved in the OCCK cases. Matter a fact I would pay a thousand bucks to the charity of her choice if they prove John is the OCCK. I would thoroughly enjoy seeing any kind of end to this case that reveals the killer.
NotLes,
I agree with your last point completely, and have remained open to any and all who may be included as co-perpetrators in these crimes. I would match your thousand to that same charity, but sense that JH is not even on the radar screen with any blip.
There is a part of me which says forgive and forget when it comes to Helen; but then the logical side kicks in and says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Only she has the free will needed to change, and I too wish for her to beat her claimed terminal disease.
In regard to this case I am of the belief that it is better that there are two grand juries going on, insofar as it compels cooperation by the two counties; and one prosecutor can't fail to produce evidence the other presented for fear of being exposed in doing a poor job. We all know that Ms. Worthy is an aggressive prosecutor with a fine reputation and who will cross all the T's and dot all the I's, and this may act as a safeguard against any political will to delay and bury the case for the remainder of Ms. Cooper's term. In some ways I hope Wayne county comes in first, and with an indictment so that Ms. Cooper is then forced to show all the evidence Wayne county did for the Oakland County jury's condideration.
CasObs made a fine point in distinguishing between Helen's deceit on this forum vs. going directly to JH himself. I came to that conclusion myself a while ago, and not matter what he needs to be either included or excluded in these crimes despite Helen's existance and obsession with him. I remain open as to his involvement or not.TruthDude
San Bruno, CA
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 16:42:11 GMT -5
Your right Helen,The information is on the Internet every where-"the convening of two grand juries by two prosecutors also could be problematic. In May 2011, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper empaneled a citizens grand jury. In Wayne County, Prosecutor Kym Worthy has had a grand jury sitting for over a year. Tom
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 16:53:37 GMT -5
Well here is a new one Helen, Les who is Notless because he is Les Moore, calls your correcting all there incorrect information "vicious attacks" lol, does he even know how stupid that makes him sound? Then he tells of wanting your health to be good ,so you won't have to eat your filthy words, you are right Helen, nearly everyone who posts their is certainly at home with their own kind, no wonder all the decent people just left the board,There isn't a one of the remaining posters,that has any personal power,that is why they suck off yours! Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 21:19:43 GMT -5
Helen, Patrick just posted this-after reading it,I have come to the conclusion.that not only is he a nut,but a liar to. I have read back over all the posts over there and you should sue his a-- big time,that is the only way he is going to get the message. He is thinking you should just let him ramble on and on and never respond,he is doing just what he accuses you of that ,you are not doing. The fact is that all of us have the right to investigate this guy,because his censor is absolute proof that he tried to defraud the APA,but fortunately he didn't get away with it,how much bigger liar than this can you get to be, and Ethic Violation,is proof of being a liar,and the fact that he is a Polygrapher who lies,makes it even worst, and then to call another person a liar,that just takes the cake! He doesn't even get the fact,that he is the liar,he thinks it must be someone else. What I can not for the life of myself figure out,is how a guy that could bring himself up to the point of being a respective Polygrapher, be stupid enough to make the ultimate Cardinal Sin of lying as one polygrapher to others of the same profession,all of whom have taken the most solemn oath to up hold the truth and thinking he could get away with this, all of which points to and highlights his profound lack of moral character. I also can not under stand if all these other people are feeding him lies,because he is so far off base when it comes to you. I say sue the SOB and the rest of his counter partners at Topix. They will then get the message. He thinks you won't do it,but Helen I have read all of his posts and all of yours over there and he has crossed the line!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 13, 2012 2:25:04 GMT -5
Helen, I was just over to Topix,and one of the victim family members posted some stuff about the Grand Juries, sounds like he really doesn't have a clue to what is going on. I thought they had two Attorneys in that family,at least that is what the Dude keeps hammer-en on. Why don't you just come out and tell them what is going on and what will be happening? Matt---Note,Sure let me just drop everything -Right Now! So I can tell them all about it... NOT!!,Matt you can not tell these people anything,they are just so much smarter than the rest of us,why we would be liars at the very least,let them figure it out,this is not Rocket Science...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 13, 2012 15:43:07 GMT -5
Helen,I see you got the rest of my post up,but you put it in the wrong place,but that is fine. I did however want to make a comment on this statement by Dude that he made about "(CasObs made a fine point in distinguishing between Helen's deceit on this forum vs. going directly to JH himself.") It seems to me that after years of backing you,and because you didn't agree with her gate swinging both ways,that she decide to show the real her,and Helen that is the real her. It did not surprise me at all that she,fed The Dude a lot of untrue things,only because she knew he would go with them ,but her saying you fabricated stuff,when she has absolutely no proof of that and knew when she posted,that this was not true,is just a new low for her. I am very familiar with her vindictiveness,so if you need any help in getting the house in Riverview ,just get back with me. Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 13, 2012 16:20:27 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows-I'm not going to start posting a lot of stuff about Judi--We have a long history-she has done a lot for me in connection with the Occk- and since I have several people who are monitoring this situation,I really do not want to be reading through a lot of emails about her. Hopefully everyone will shut up soon-as this is not doing the Occk case any good-It is not doing it any harm either-other than people are getting sick from hearing about it -in this light- What people do not understand-Is that the stuff posted on Internet blogs,is of no value-there is no one reading this stuff that has any authority over the out come of the Grand Juries-There are NO cops or investigators reading these posting-that are looking for Hot clues-and Please trust my saying this-You do not understand about these Grand Juries-they were not convened for the purpose of solving the Occk cases-In fact they were not even convened for the Occk cases-they are handling at least 100 other cases,each--Your expectation is to high for what the results are going to be- and you are most likely going to be disappointed...
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