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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 4, 2011 10:45:19 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 4, 2011 19:45:12 GMT -5
Helen you continue to post some interesting articles from back in the days. I must say though that this guy believing that there is some geometry significance to the OCCK patterns is a complete nut case. Common sense will tell anyone that the factors behind his patterns is base totally on what he could get away with and what would drive the most attention. To actually believe that this killer was that sophisticated sounds like the early works of some of those Topix authors. The one poster with the killer that had supernatural abilities named Gary comes to mind-{Note: Reff Gem Theory at bottom of site....}
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 5, 2011 0:55:52 GMT -5
Helen
Once again the news media is at it again. The assumption's you have derived, belieiving the Xxxx Xxxxx is involved with this recent investigation, and that he is a "suspect with the OCCK", is completely false. This particular individual was brought to our attention years ago and was cleared by the original task force. However, with xxxxx recent xxxxx , and the way it is being reported, "BY THE MEDIA" is being completely blown out of proportion, ie, the same way the Indiana person was hyped. The xxxxx xxxx, (which I hope you know is xxxxx xxxx), really has no control over the media.
Remember this is sweeps month........xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2011 1:52:08 GMT -5
Occk Headquarters was down for one min. Was It The FBI?~LOL Oh no! Due to an angry bear technical problems we were unable to display this page. It looks like there are too many connections to our servers at this time. ERROR CODE: 1000 ProBoards © 2011 ProBoards, Inc. ProBoards® is a registered trademark of ProBoards, Inc.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2011 19:46:26 GMT -5
Hey Helen I think that last set of postings about the cult rituals and police cover up was just to steer Topix conversations away from John and Chris Busch altogether. No one on Topix bought into it and that was his last post. He sure spent a tremendous amount of time writing that piece of fiction and one has to wonder why. If he was just trying to drive Lilly off from the porn ring why did he not continue?
Sgt.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 7, 2011 0:53:36 GMT -5
Hi, I've made it a few more chapters in the book. I keep trying to get through more when I go to bed at night, but it keeps putting me to sleep.... She has finally revealed her suspect, Richard Hojnacki in the blue Porsche..who is that? I take it you've done a full workup on him. That's a new name to me, if he even exists. So far, she has also dove head first into the whole Lawson/Lamborgine thing. who is the guy in Farmington Hills who commited suicide? She thought it was Blfd Hills, but the police traced it to Farm Hills. At last count, that's 3 suicides in all of this. Hmmm.... One of the best lines in the book so far, "To Lilly's way of thinking, it was safer place to be [the Corridor] than in the burbs. At least here, you knew what people were about, out there, well, one just took their chances." ----- Original Message ----- Xxxx Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 7, 2011 17:39:33 GMT -5
It'll be interesting fiction or not, to see how she pulls this together more. She can't just assume everything is one huge ring. I made it through yet another chapter last night before it knocked me out.
----- Original Message ----- Pam
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 8, 2011 15:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 9, 2011 8:24:31 GMT -5
Hey ~ I'm quite sure I finally stumbled onto the section you were referring to the other day. It's actually in the middle of the book (yes, I really am reading the whole thing). She mentions John and "the woman" who he "duped" into believing it. Nice. 30 years of work on the case, and she says you were duped. Wow. She says she had a good idea why John knew so much. She doesn't say it right there, but she mentions they were neighbors, so she is implying that that is how John knew so much. How nice that she adds at least her and the police agree on something. Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 10, 2011 16:58:07 GMT -5
lot's of emails in everyone wants to know if the King law suit is still going on,sorry-but i'm not even keeping track of it-so your best bet is to call the court and ask...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 10, 2011 17:01:46 GMT -5
So many emails in on Busch,Fox Island and McKinney-you want to know if there is any possibility that they are connected to the Occk cases-not any chance....at all
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 10, 2011 17:05:58 GMT -5
Sue wants to know how many books I think Lilly sold-I have no idea,but he most likely could sell 176,that is about how many people are still interested in keeping up on the Oakland County Child murders,and that number drops daily...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2011 13:52:23 GMT -5
Helen, I am hoping that Corey Williams who wrote the DNA article is not the Corey Williams of Livonia. Initial searches tell me they are two different people - but odd that the name is the same. Ted
Note-The Dna artical was by Korie
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 12, 2011 20:28:58 GMT -5
Helen,I reported my thoughts over 30 yrs ago to Det. Robertson. I never have heard any feedback so I have obsessed yrs over this. The mans name is Xxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxzzz, he was a psychiatrist, now I believe a pharmacist. I put a house cleaning add in a local paper, he called but gave a different name. He explained later he had given me his phone name. The name thing and his extreme cleanliness got my mind going . I am not a nosy person but felt justified because of who I thought he could be. I did find id in the other name in his house. I also found a journal which he started just weeks before Mark was taken and stopped just days before he was taken. In it he said"lately I have begun to love watching and being around children, those children 12-15 who seem to have no sense but have such a marvelous time" very odd thing I thought for a man to write. He also listed adjectives describing his loneliness and one was murderous, very odd again. He had a very bizarre lawsuit from a patient he held at Ardmore Acres. xxxxxxxx xxxxxx. He would have been privvy to any meds. On your site I saw a Lemans was a possibility. I am not good with models but told Robertson back then that I thought he drove a Lemans, Another interesting point was on your site I saw the bumper may have had a hitch on it. I never saw his car close enough to know about a hitch but I do know he had a boat in his garage on a trailer. This was all just months after all the kids had been taken. Also, Ardmore hospital was very close to Tims drop off and again from your site I read someone had to have known the area well. He moved to NY for awhile after I stopped cleaning for him, He now lives in ann arbor, is 76, has had homes in walled lake, farmington, alpena and I believe Livonia. What do you think Helen?/////SO I'M BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION-IN THE EVENT -YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM- My god, there is just so much devastation in the wake of these crimes (and the fact that they have never been solved). Of course she obsessed about this--it is very disturbing. And yet another person who responded to the cops' more recent request for any info who is then blown off. Nice. I guess you would have to leave a message or send an email that stated "I have Polaroids" to get a response from the MSP.
This guy was no doubt a creep--that case showed the guy clearly abused his power in a clinical setting. God knows what he did at home. I Googled him a while back and he is now seemingly a "normal," participating member of society.
That sh--- in the journal is very, very disturbing. I got the impression from some of the things I read about that hospital that there had been a pattern of sexual abuse of patients. I bet the guy was a participant. Who are you going to believe back then, the good doctor or a drugged psychiatric patient? I sure as hell hope that someone in LE talks to him.
Finally--if I put myself in her shoes and see (1) journal with that nasty sh-- in it; (2) shrink who worked at AA, which was right by Tim's drop off and was at the time an area that was difficult to negotiate because of road construction; (3) owns a LeMans; (4) and a boat on a trailer (obviously one of his vehicles had to have a trailer hitch), I can understand the conclusion she is worried about..... This guy is still alive, so you could easily find him and talk to him if needed. None of us can clear this up. There may be something to it--maybe not. Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2011 6:31:42 GMT -5
Yes, I finally reached the very large section you're talking about. Suddenly, everything you mentioned before all makes sense now. Yes, I see the several pages she really digs in. Wow. The arrogance is pretty thick, too. She knows exactly why John would know those details as a neighbor, but she's too good to share it with us petty peasants. You can almost feel the author tapping the reader on the top of the head like a child. She sure didn't hold back revealing other supposed connections, why not that one? Regardless of anything to do with the OCCK, I'm thoroughly appalled at all that went on basically in my backyard in he 70's, as I was just a kid on a bike, too. My head is spinning reading so many familiar place names and the awful things on Fox Island. I knew about it, but the more it's out there, the more details that make the whole place just have a cloud over it. Leelanau is such a beautiful place, and so is Traverse city, and so is Bloomfield Hills. Knowing these creeps all got away with so much disgusting behavior and bought their way out is just so awful. Everybody always knew the "Big 3" had control over the communities, the cities and the state, because they were the purse strings. But when you see how deep the favors went it's really disgusting. Not that I'm believing anything on these pages, but it's really the subject in general.Kay
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