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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 15:00:25 GMT -5
Friends.......They love you,
But they're not your lover
They care for you,
But they're not from your family
They're ready to share your pain,
But they're not your blood relation.
They are........FRIENDS! !!!!
A True friend...... .
Scolds like a DAD..
Cares like a MOM..
Teases like a SISTER..
Irritates like a BROTHER..
And loves you more than EVER..
Jack
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 16:12:19 GMT -5
Oh my-Please do not email me to ask why I haven't posted your email,It will be posted if you have not recieved it back...Our Camp is very busy right now,going thru my paper files....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 18:43:02 GMT -5
I don't know Larry,maybe your talking about this post from AITF-Things I still remember about John...That I thought were very strange...
When he stooped down to tie his daughters shoes,he would go in the same type of trance...that he did when it stared to snow----everything he did always had a symbolic meaning....How scared I was on three occasions,that he was going to kill me---once when I asked him to confess---and I also had the same Inter feelings--after the Birmingham Police were up to alpena....and they left me off....and I walked 3 blocks to were I was staying---and I guess I'll always wonder why John trusted me so much...he just never thought....I would go to the Police----Then their was his banana eating binges....once a month-that lasted for a three or four day period....almost like it was timed to a womens menstrual cycle....and I will remember...what he said after he had read--Wolf In Sheeps Clothing---He talked about what the author said about -Psychic Phil Jordan....who was involved In Operation ESP---the task force had ridicule Jorden,and said his report was not only vague ...but even contradictory and fundametally useless--yet John said if they paid attention to this report...he would have been arrested back in the seventies....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 18:53:32 GMT -5
Helen I just read some of your articles on these murders. Looks like John could be a good poi. All serial killers like trophies. You should have asked John for proof, a trophy. If you noticed the boys were sexually assaulted not the girls. Did John ever advise why the boys were sexually assaulted but not the girls?
Xxxxx Xxxxx Former Criminal Investigator.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 19:16:49 GMT -5
Note: The shuting down of the original Oakland County Child Killer Task Force had absolutely nothing to do with Chris Busch Or his death....I happen to know that the decision was already made on October 11,1977 when the Task Force was already out of money...However the Multi Jurisdiction's kept it going untill the Official announcement was made,which happen to be after Busch's death. Now your probably thinking I'm some kind of genius to have remember that date,However it was just stuck in my mind as it was John's Birthday----- Helen,- In speaking with you the other day, and as stated then, I was intrigued to see this small book “ UNEXPLAINED MICHIGAN MYSTERIES” By Mr. Gary Barfknecht. I wanted to call him myself given how many variables he got right on page 126. I found it odd that in such a short story this could be the case, and in what he chose to print in 1993 vs. what was left out in regard to other speculation at the time in other floated theories.
Perhaps based on my profession, this information as I read it begged the
question Who Did This Guy Interview Which Made Him Print What He Did ?
Also, this speculation would seem to be prior to the real establishment of what we think of as Profilers as a specialty I think, but not sure on that.
Think about it !!!, Just in the last three paragraphs you see on page 126 that:
1. The task force was shut down just less than one month after Busch’s suicide, and perhaps where Gary Green had already been sentenced to life, or was headed that way. Why shut the task force down just then. Not a funding issue in 1978 !!!, and certainly not ALL the leads could have been worked by then. It seems odd to me, unless there was an informed fiscal decision that the case was probably resolved with what was seen at the Busch residence by the task force the same day Chris Busch did himself in the head.
2. In the second to last paragraph it states that the Babysitter perhaps committed suicide after being overwhelmed by guilt !!! Isn’t the drawing by Busch of Mark Stebbins in line with deep thoughts about one’s victim ?
3. Further, The author also states: Others speculate the murderer came from a well to do family who might have sent him out of the country for psychiatric treatment or gotten him committed to an institution. The family would be protected, the man would be protected, and the family would be assured that nobody else would be killed. This fact is true, but was done prior to the killings in that the Busch parents sending Chris Busch to Switzerland to a boarding school, but it is an unknown variable as to if he got any psychiatric treatment while there. Perhaps the surviving brother would know. This fact is simply stated out of sequence in Busch’s life.
4. (Last paragraph) The Child Killer might be in prison as the result of some comparatively minor crime. This was true of Greg Green as he was put away for less than murder, and as we know LIFE IN PRISON does NOT ALWAYS equal actual life in prison via parole, and the acts for which he was convicted might have allowed for his later release had he too not committed suicide in prison. All around the nation many are being released for lesser violent and non-violent crimes.
In closing, I find these four variables unlikely unless this author had an outstanding lead who inspired him to write EXACTLY what he did in what proved to be very accurate as it was discovered over fourteen years later. (1993 publication date to late 2006 revelation to Me of the 1977/78 polygraph confession to Wasser which turned out to be Busch).
In our respective interests in this case we don’t invest in coincidences; as in life there are few. This many variables here rings a bell for me to where it seems that this author had to have obtained a deep source for sure. If I’m wrong, then this simply stands as the most accurate short story ever written, and in what he accidentally selected to include for publication.
Best Regards, Xxx Xxxxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 0:07:34 GMT -5
Hey stranger... Hope you're doing well. I hope you've taken some good time off and are feeling better. Don't know if you're interested in this or not. There's a ton more pics of Tuckahoe: Theodore Tompki
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 17:32:23 GMT -5
Helen,I really hate all the verbal attacks that occur on the boards. If it's any consolation, I had read quite a few of them before I registered and sent you a pm through your old site. I decided that after all the online attacks regarding John, you still stuck by your story, and your determination impressed me. My gut instinct told me that you weren't the nutcase they wanted you to be. Although....I still stand by my statement that most sane people would have said screw it years ago, lol. Anyway, that was about 5 years ago and I've never regretted it, in fact, I'm glad I saw through the bullnuts and listened to my gut. We may not have solved and closed the case yet, but at least I made a new friend. Thelma Harvey
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 19:10:44 GMT -5
Helen,It's amazing what will shut some people up. If you end up sending it this way, will be there be full notes in all the margins? ;>) Jack
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 19:12:57 GMT -5
lol, nope haven't read it yet. I'm waiting till maybe the library will get it for free. lol Are they still harrassing you? Kim
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 19:20:06 GMT -5
When was this A&E Oakland County Killer show on? Do you remember if it was A&E Cold Case Files or A&E Investigative Reports etc? I would like to try to catch a rerun or possible order a copy from the A&E website. Pete
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 23, 2011 14:27:12 GMT -5
The book came today,I have read it,and will make no comment other than to say To Lilly,Cathy and Terri "He who laughs last laughs longest".......
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 23, 2011 19:55:35 GMT -5
Hey Helen. When is some author going to come along and put a slant on Dan's story? I think that one would be real interesting to read.
Robert
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 24, 2011 10:32:55 GMT -5
Helen,did you know that none of the "gang" has posted on Topix for awhile? Note: No I didn't know that and do I care....not really.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 24, 2011 17:15:33 GMT -5
Copy to you -----Forwarded Message----- From: "PATRICK T. COFFEY" Sent: Mar 24, 2011 2:11 PM To: Lisa Brody Subject: Re: OCCK case Hello Lisa, My Attorney cleared this for me to release to the media, and since your publication was the one quoting Mr. Feinberg (as an unnamed source) I thought you should have it to clear things up. I have never made a penny from my childhood friend's death and loss to us all, and never would. All of my actions in reporting this have only cost me financially, put me in an unpopular position in my life's chosen profession, and caused me ridicule by those who are not in the know, or who have something to lose from the full truth coming out. That said, No Regrets At All; as I owed this effort to Timmy my friend, his family, the other victim's families, and my family, and within my faith. We all loved Timmy and the other Kids by extention; and just plain old had to do all I could to assist in this case which has been carried in our hearts for a generation now. Timmy was taken and killed 34 years ago this week by my calander, and I am just humbled to have played any role in being in the position to push the first domino in a sequence that has lead to the King family knowing more now about "Who" did this, and their recent further discovery granted them by a wise Judge. Since your article back in 10/10 some have written me to say then felt I was a hero; but it is not the case. It is rather that this was a life's test of character for me, --- and would I (after having survived a stroke just seven months prior) just do the right thing plain and simple. I was told back then that if I was going to have another stroke that it would probably be within two years from my first one, as told to me by my Doc. I pictured myself at the pearly gates and knew that Timmy would speak up for me if and when I got there as having done what I could for him with what I was exposed to, and that I was not going to make that one way trip without having done all I could. So then, NO; Not a Hero, just someone living out his conscience for the right thing to be done with what he knew, and for no selfish motive at all. I have never sought to stir up the families, and am content with my life so I don't want to be famous as had been alleged. Perhaps Mr. Wasser and Mr. Feinberg have both learned that the world is a smaller place than they perceived it to be, especially in the age of the internet; and were mistaken about my probably not reading your original article with it's false allegations about me since I lived out of the Detroit area, and on the West coast. In signing this agreed retraction, and True to my word, I did not seek any money from them in this case, nor anyone else; and with their retraction I have let it go, and paid my own Attorney bills in doing so. Truth has a price, and I paid it, and will pay it further if need be. I can fax you this retraction with my signature also included if you like, and my understanding is that it has now been filed and the case dismissed with all three signatures in place. NOW YOU KNOW, who was telling the TRUTH here !!!! Regards, Patrick T. Coffey Patrick T. Coffey Credibility Assessment Specialist, PDD & Certified Forensic Computer-Polygraph Examiner PATRICK COFFEY & ASSOCIATES ptcoffey@mindspring.com or TheNoLieGuy4u@earthlink.net Member; A.P.A., C.A.P.E., I.-C.A.R.E. www.polygraphplace.com/specialist/patrickcoffey.htm Office 650.373-2007 Fax 650.373-2009 Mobile / Cell 650 219-2181 -----Original Message-----
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 24, 2011 17:18:35 GMT -5
-----Original Message----- From: Lisa Brody Sent: Mar 24, 2011 7:33 AM To: ptcoffey@mindspring.com Subject: OCCK case
Dear Patrick,
Thank you for letting me know the update about Larry Wasser and James Feinberg. I'm glad to know they've come to the realization of your lack of liability. Could you send me all of the information? I would like to have it.
Also, when you say it's going to heat up again soon, what do you mean? Lisa
-- Lisa Brody
News Editor
DOWNTOWN PUBLICATIONS
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Birmingham MI 48009
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