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[Helen Dagner]

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[Helen Dagner]

[Helen Dagner]

www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1299515827&user=serialkillerfacts04 RAGES-RANTS & REVELATIONS_TELL IT YOUR WAY!!!
Posted on March 7, 2011 at 11:37:07 AM by Helen Dagner

Dale,-THE USUAL MOTIVES DON'T APPLY IN THESE MOST UNUSUAL CHILD ABDUCTION -MURDER CASES,THEN WHAT DOES FIT? SO FAR ONLY THE ONE OFFERED BY JOHN FITS. HE SAID HE KIDNAPPED & KILLED THE CHILDREN TO SHOW THE RICH UPPER CLASS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WERE NO BETTER THAN HE WAS,AND THAT THEY WERE AS VULNERABLE AS HE WAS TO THE CRUELTIES & INJUSTICES OF LIFE & SOCIETY. HE CLAIMS HIS MOTIVE WAS TO STRIKE A BLOW TO THE PRIVILEGED RICH SNOBS & SINCE HE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO BRING THEM DOWN FINANCIALLY OR MATERIALLY,HE COULD STILL GET AT THEM THROUGH THEIR CHILDREN & TEACH THEM THE LESSON THEY SO SORELY NEEDED,AND HE SO DEARLY WANTED TO TEACH THEM. IT WAS NOTHING SEXUAL,NOR WAS THERE ANY PERSONAL ANIMOSITY TOWARDS THE KIDS.IN FACT HE SO LIKED AND RESPECTED KIDS THAT HE CLEAN THEM UP SO THEY WERE PRESENTABLE AND WERE IN NO WAY MADE TO LOOK DEGRADED. IF AS HE SAYS,HIS AIM WAS TO SHAKE-UP HIGHER SOCIETY,HE CERTAINLY SUCCEEDED. EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF WEALTH OR STATUS WAS VERY SHAKEN UP. ALSO,AS PERHAPS AN UNINTENDED BONUS,HE WENT FROM BEING {HE FELT} SNUBBED,SLIGHTED AND CONSIDERED INSIGNIFICANT TO BEING ALMOST INSTANTLY CATAPULTED TO THE VERY HEIGHT OF IMPORTANCE. NOW,HE WAS THE ONE WHO MATTER, COMPARED TO HIM ALL OTHERS PALED TO INSIGNIFICANCE....HE WAS THE ONE EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND THINKING ABOUT ABOVE EVERYONE, FROM THE MAYOR & THE CHIEF OF POLICE ~TO THE BANKERS & THE JUDGES...IT WAS HIS PRESENCE THAT DOMINATED ~THE TV,THE NEWSPAPER & RADIO NEWS. IT WAS HIS DARK & UNSEEN SHADOW THAT CAST FEAR IN THE HEARTS OF ALL. WITH SEEMINGLY ALMOST SUPERNATURAL ABILITY AND CUNNING,HE WAS SNATCHING KIDS OFF THE STREET IN BROAD DAYLIGHT....RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER THE COPS AND EVERYONE ELSES NOSES. IN THE PRESS AND IN THE MINDS OF CITIZENS HE TOOK ON NEAR MYSTICAL PROPORTIONS.....LIKE A REINCARNATED JACK THE RIPPER,HE HELD AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN THE GRIP OF FEAR THAT WAS ALMOST PANIC...TALK ABOUT SALVE FOR A WOUNDED EGO,THE HIGH HE GOT FROM THE SENSE OF POWER MUST HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTLY INTOXICATING,POSSIBLY CAUSING HIM TO COMMIT MORE KILLINGS THEN HE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO. IN ANY EVENT HE SURE BROUGHT THE RICH TO THEIR KNEES,HE SYMBOLICALLY SUBJUGATED THE SNOBBISH UPPER CLASS. ALL OF WHICH IS THE ONLY MOTIVE I HAVE HEARD THAT REALLY FITS THE NATURE AND DETAILS OF THIS SERIES OF TERRIBLE CRIMES.

[Helen Dagner]

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Posted on March 7, 2011 at 11:12:21 PM by Helen Dagner

However I think the killer stopped because he finish his mission...he wanted to kill two boys & two Girls...under the self delusional pretext -that he was saving them from a meaningless and painful existence -{like his turned out to be}.. Also -He wanted to inflict pain and humiliation on the rich and privilege upper class and in doing so achieve personal significance on the level of his Ancestors...as for his family sending him overseas for a mental condition...I really have doubts about that as John supported himself from the age of 11...{His father told me}...and I do know from my investigation and from John himself...that his Dad although he was wealthy...he didn't share that with his family....and about Johns mental condition-all I can tell you about this..is that I did see him go into a Manic phase -with spinning eyes-hyper-active mannerisms...gorge on bags of bananas and appear unaware of his surroundings...after discussing the OCCK or while in a car with me...when it started to snow....also when his oldest sister called my daughter... to tell her what a bad girl I was-she mention they had two people in there family who had mental Illness...but she didn't say who...and my daughter never ask...but I do know -The mother was crazy...as everyone I talked to from the family...has made that statement..I should also mention that John did spend some time overseas..but the dates can not be confirmed-How ever -I can confirm that he was indeed in Oakland County on the dates of the abductions and during the children's captivity...and the drop offs

[Helen Dagner]