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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 28, 2012 23:07:57 GMT -5
Helen,
Over the weekend I watched all 17 videos you posted on Youtube. I was astounded and shocked at the same time.
I have so many questions.
1) Why didn't the police follow-up on the second passport?
2) What was the significance of the art gallery owner and the mystery woman?
3) What is the relationship of the mystery woman to the occk?
4) Why did John taunt the police at the gay bar?
5) What was John's relationship to Chris Busch?
6) Why didn't the mother of John's child ever go forward?
7) What was John's endgame?
8) Is John still alive?
Helen, I think you are doing something great. Please keep it up.
Cheers,
Robert Schneider
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 28, 2012 23:08:55 GMT -5
Hi Robert, I sent your answers by Email. Thanks,Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 29, 2012 0:46:30 GMT -5
Helen,
Thank you for responding.
Yes I did enjoy the videos and was scared at the same time.
I have a few more questions based on your responses.
1) Was John's mother involved or did she know what her son was up to?
2) Does John feel remorse for what he did?
3) Why was the art gallery owner murdered?
4) What did John's siblings do to him to make him want to commit such a heinous crime?
5) Did he stop killing or did he change his m.o.?
Robert Note ~I sent your answers by email
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 3, 2012 1:06:27 GMT -5
Sorry,but I will not be taking any more Big list of questions-I just do not have the time to answer them-View the Videos...The answers are all there~ Thanks,Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 6, 2012 4:53:16 GMT -5
To answer all your questions -Yes I will be running the story on the past 35 years of the Oakland County Child Murder Investigations (-that I put a hold on}~However I want to be able to trust in the System,and as soon as anyone in authority puts out a news release on the Occk- then I will run my Info- You can not blame me ...for wanting to have a gotcha moment ! Now can you?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 7, 2012 23:44:16 GMT -5
Hi Helen, I have been reading the Topic message board but don’t post there because I don’t care to get in snot fights with some of the folks on that board. Most mean well but are having difficulty seeing the “forest thru the trees”. IMO, there is no way these crimes were committed by a “group” of people (pedophiles). These acts were committed by one person. Now, they may have had help from a family member or a very, very close friend of theirs. However, it’s tough enough for one person to keep a secret; let alone two. In fact, the murderer himself could not keep a secret as he told you back in Alpena! He doesn’t kill any more because he doesn’t want to get caught and his motive has been satisfied – get back at the snobby community.. Past lie detector tests? The science is much better now that it was back in those days. However, psychopaths/serial killers have passed lie detector tests (e.g. Green River Killer). Others have flunked and not been guilty. Christopher Busch would not have taken any girls and would have molested the two boys big-time; not post-mortem, etc . So would Green, Lamborgine or any of these other creeps from Fox Island or the Cass Corridor. The fact is – these creeps did not have access to these four kids. I could go on and on but won’t because we’ve been thru this drill already and I know you agree. These were not sexual crimes! The odds of Hastings living so close to Busch are astronomical. They must have known each other in some way. Perhaps thru a Hastings brother (most likely Mike) or menial jobs, which they both had back in those days. Or perhaps their fathers knew each other being neighbors, etc. What are the odds that the suspect, John Hastings worked with Ruth Stebbins, Mark’s mom? What are the odds that the suspect had taken a class with Jill’s father, Mr. Robinson as his teacher at OCC? What are the odds that the suspect, went to a Tiger game in July of 1976 on Tim’s birthday and told you this? What are the odds that the suspect bowled where Kristine Mihalich’s mom worked? The Big Boy maps, the Little House on the Prairie book, the bike, underwear patterns and the other details not known except to LE. is amazing knowledge for him to possess. What are the odds a kid, Anthony Mitchell “fell” off a water tower on the street where the suspect lived a few years earlier….and just happened to be an acquaintance of the suspect and a friend of the suspect’s brother? What are the odds that he was a rich kid of a GM auto exec much like Busch? Although John did not admit to that killing he did tell you that he was on the top of the water tower with his brother when Tony fell. Gee, what are the odds? Oh, and Office Gil Fowler found Tony the next morning. They didn’t tell anyone. Why? Because they didn’t want any chances to be caught. Gil = Gill Road? Bruce Lane – Bruce L. Danto? Gee. What are the odds? Why did he even put Danto’s home in Cranbrook on one of the maps he drew? The dump sites? It’s a sick puzzle. You put all of these odds together and it can only be one person in my book. John Hastings. Busch and John McKinney? They probably knew JH was the killer and had to be eliminated before they spilled the beans to LE. Oh. We knew Hastings loved art and drawing. Was Busch an artsy guy too? Gee, where did that picture at the suicide scene come from? Even if it isn’t Mark Stebbins its very disturbing. Like something psychopath/killer type would draw. This is all so easy. Where is Law Enforcement? Not all of the pieces may fit but someone from the FBI, Michigan State Police or Oakland County task force needs to get down to Atlanta and bring this guy back to Michigan, and speak with him or should I say, “Grill him!”. Also, his siblings, especially Mike and Tom. They know what transpired. They should all be grilled, as well. And Helen, you should be in the next room watching the grilling. You would be available for follow-up questions or anything they may have missed. Also, Mr.Robinson, Tim’s siblings and father should be there and look thru a one way glass to see if coming eye-to-eye with Hastings, in person rings any bells from the 70’s. Baseball? Hockey? Art? OCC class? Perhaps they need to see John’s photo from the 70’s. I’m thinking Tim’s little league or bantam hockey friends. The same goes for the Chris Busch living relatives, neighbor Harry Dunn and the maid. Maybe even Gunnels. It’s time to get this case wrapped up, once and for all and it’s so sickening to me that the killer continues to have his freedom as each day goes on. Thirty six tears and counting….but It’s never too late. Dr. G------
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2012 0:20:57 GMT -5
Helen,I wish you would start a Occk Feedback thread,as I have a lot of questions and I know others that do too. Like I want to know if they have talked to the Psychiatrist or the Realtor,they are both a live-and they both had connections to these children and I remember when we help work on these cases with you,they had motive ,means and opportunity.So did the Insurance guy,but he is dead now,just like everyone will be,before these cases get off the ground. Chuck
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2012 0:31:46 GMT -5
Chuck,I can not be sure if they were ever talked to,as we gave that info to Detectives, who to this day-can not register a pulse-But I will agree with you all three of them-were great persons of interest and much more promising then most of the suspects on the Photo Sheet~as for having a Feedback thread again--I don't know-It always ends up being full of personal attacks about stuff that has nothing to do with the Occk-I will have to think about it...
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Post by battista on Apr 12, 2012 19:21:13 GMT -5
Without asking you to dig through tons of old files, is there any way to re-post the info about the psychiatrist, realtor, and insurance guy? Even if they're not directly connected, perhaps they have some connection to the killer.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 12, 2012 22:03:51 GMT -5
Hi Bat~ I just read your post~sorry I haven't the time to answer it tonight...I have a full day tomorrow,but will try to answer it tomorrow night-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 1:29:11 GMT -5
Judi~ You need to clear this up with Patrick-"What about you M'am ? Nodoby has held you to any standard, and you are a documented LIAR having not turned over promised evidence you (1) Claimed you had to law enforcement, and later admitted to lying about it.(2)~*Before it gets ugly...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 11:55:42 GMT -5
Without asking you to dig through tons of old files, is there any way to re-post the info about the psychiatrist, realtor, and insurance guy? Even if they're not directly connected, perhaps they have some connection to the killer. The Psychiatrist, *This guy is still alive, so police could easily find him and talk to him if needed. In a journal which he started just weeks before Mark was taken and stopped just days before he was taken. In it he said"lately I have begun to love watching and being around children, those children 12-15 who seem to have no sense but have such a marvelous time"( very odd thing for a man to write.} He also listed adjectives describing his loneliness and one was murderous, very odd again. - Robertson Sr was told back then that he drove a Lemans, Another interesting point was on your site I saw the bumper may have had a hitch on it. I never saw his car close enough to know about a hitch but I do know he had a boat in his garage on a trailer. This was all just months after all the kids had been taken. Also, Ardmore hospital was very close to Tims drop off and again from your site I read someone had to have known the area well-He now lives in Ann arbor, is 79, has had homes in Walled Lake, Farmington, Alpena and Livonia.-The name thing-(He had and used a fake ID often) and his extreme cleanliness-was why the witness got in contact with Robertson Sr 35 years ago- I Google him a while back and he is now seemingly a "normal," participating member of society. I can see why the witness thought he was the Occk-By The Journal he kept-and he was a shrink who worked at AA, which was right by Tim's drop off and was at the time an area that was difficult to negotiate because of road construction; (3) owns a LeMans; (4) and a boat on a trailer (obviously one of his vehicles had to have a trailer hitch), I can understand the conclusion she is worried about as at the time there was a lot of sexual stuff going on at AA hospital. This by no means -is all the Info available on this guy- He also had a toy box,with some very interesting items in-in fact one of the items was something that Mark collected-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 12:08:13 GMT -5
Without asking you to dig through tons of old files, is there any way to re-post the info about the psychiatrist, realtor, and insurance guy? Even if they're not directly connected, perhaps they have some connection to the killer. * The insurance guy-This was a friend of the King family and the son was a buddy to Tim-in fact he was with Tim early the day of his abduction-The reason a witness suggested that we look into him-was because he had spent a lot of time with Tim and his own son-In fact he is reference in the book Wolf In Sheep's Clothing,talking about Tim and those activity-He was a guy who had a great personality-was involved in every organization in town-and he also would buy a lot of current children's toys -like Hola Hoops -basket balls -ect. and just hand them out to kids on the street-he also owned a few buildings along Woodward-he also had a house with and under ground heated garage-He also had activity's at the Salvation Army-there is a big list of his connections-however I'm not going to post them all-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 12:28:25 GMT -5
Without asking you to dig through tons of old files, is there any way to re-post the info about the psychiatrist, realtor, and insurance guy? Even if they're not directly connected, perhaps they have some connection to the killer. Ok the Realtor-He lives in Livonia and did also in 1976-77-why a witness came forward on him,was because of were the two homes were located that he owned in Livonia-and because back in the day-altho he was in real estate-he did not have and office-however he sub sold property-for the snow birds when they left the area-only in the winter time-and because these people were gone different length of time-it was very suspicious-to the person reporting this-as he thought it very unusual that the lights and heat remained on-in all the homes that this guy -was showing-then one night he saw the guy leave one of the homes late at night-and walk out to the road-like he was trying to see -if anyone could see anything in the home when the lights were on-this guy also had a very good re pore-with anyone who met him and he thought yes-the kids would go with him-I talked to him and even asked him -if he was the child killer--and he stated he didn't know anything about any child murders-I told him I found that hard to believe -because he was and out and about guy and had lived in the area all his life-so I thought it impossible-that he had never read or heard anything about the killings -with Tims body found very close to his -one home that was hid in the woods-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 13, 2012 17:42:59 GMT -5
Helen, It bothers me that “Keeper” hasn’t came out publicly and told him (Patrick) to knock off the attacks. In fact, she’s allowing him to stand behind and do it in her name….which pisses me off because of all the hours I spent helping “SAM” conduct research back in the old days. Oh well, lesson learned. Robert
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