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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 23, 2012 17:12:22 GMT -5
Helen, Bet you $1 that this gets thrown out as a frivolous lawsuit and the plaintiffs end up paying court costs and attorney fees. Rick
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 23, 2012 18:16:30 GMT -5
Here are a couple of post from when todd and I were trying to get the Michigan Authority attention-Note the date-we have earlier ones also*Oakland County Officials Reaction-Shocking.... ...It Is TRUE-The REACTION of Oakland County Officials is even more shocking...then my tip about John and the 300 -plus matches to the murders of these four children.Oakland County Officials have been able to effectively kill any media inquiries generated in the hopes to spark movement on the OCCK murders...for now---altho..this would not be the first time a jurisdiction has let murderers go unpunished...you can-not imagine a GOOD TIP would go unchecked...Todd and I have tried desperately to pass along this information...we both do indeed realize --even more now..than ever..that this is a Serial killer that Oakland County Officials,would like to forget...but it simply can-not be...as Todd and I...are not going to let them...Oakland County prosecutors It would seem have lost their appetite for this matter---you can help them to -re-think...If you have a minute,please add your story-or view to the DREAMBOOK...you don't have to sign your name...we just want to hear from you..... | August 30, 2003 08:24 PM
Write Your U.S.Senator?-If It's Levin-Forget It !!! Want to write your representative in Lansing or Washington,D.C.-and not quite sure where to send the letter---If It's to a Michigan official...and you want to talk about--The Oakland County Child Killer...File 13-or the North Pole,will give the same results---Imagine a U.S. Senator,who get's three pc.of mail...about a Serial killer...and doesn't have someone in his office-answer the mail.Both Todd and I have sent Michigan U.S.Senator Carl Levin our concerns about the Oakland County Child Killer...you can read the letters on the 1976-77 Oakland County Child Slaying -site--8000,people already have...I was so sure that he would answer my letter...as Fran and I worked our butt's off to get him elected,the first time...but there you have it...so much for ---one hand washes the other...right?...In Michigan It's not just Carl Levin...he is just the one I thought would care...The only one to answer...was now Gov.Jennifer M. Granholm..and she was the AG at the time...and running for election for Gov....I'm telling you Michigan officials just don't care if the OCCK cases are solved...I'm just wondering...If there ever was a time that they did...after all none of the murdered children were their son or daughter...well they weren't mine either...but since I met the Killer..and know this case Is able to be solved...I do care..and so do thousands,of people that read every word that Todd and I post...If you want to see who cares-go to The Oakland County Child Killer-Dreambook...read their story's-Post your story,there or on this site...Want to get and Inside look at the Michigan State Police..and what they think of the Unsolved Child Murders...read Todds Post--SHOULD I JUST GO OUT AND SHOOT HER...CHICKEN BONE And ALL...You can find all Info...by going to Google Search....Best Regards Helen Dagner serialkillerfacts | September 4, 2003 02:51 PM
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 23, 2012 20:34:29 GMT -5
Despite the fact that secret grand juries in both Oakland and Wayne Counties have been hearing testimony about the killings – Detroit attorney Paul Hughes is calling a press conference. Hughes says he’s representing Debbie Jarvis, Kristine’s mother.
But the other family members who have been actively pursuing answers in the case for years – including the King family, Ascroft, and Kristine’s sister Erica McAvoy -- say they knew nothing about the upcoming press conference.
“We’re really saddened that something would happen like this, without us being notified,” Ascroft told 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo.
Hughes tells 7 Action News that he plans to suggest that as many as 11 additional child serial killer victims could be connected to the four – and he’s suggesting a cover-up with-in law enforcement.
Hughes also announced a website to solicit donations to fund his efforts.
On the site, a donation of $1,500 will get you a copy of the report that will allegedly be submitted to the Department of Justice, or DOJ, once that report is finished.
“When I saw it, when my daughter Erica saw it, and a few other people, we were upset. Because we weren’t asking for money, we don’t want money,” said Ascroft.
“I lost my son, and I know what it means to lose a son. For somebody to say donate money to me, I can solve this crime – it p----- me off,” said Oakland County Executive Brooks Patterson. Patterson was the prosecutor during the child killings.
“We were doing everything we could as these crimes became more expansive and went from 2 to 3 to 4. To suggest that somebody in that system would have had any reason to protect the killer and cover up legitimate evidence, that’s an outrage,” said Patterson.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 9:55:58 GMT -5
The unidentified source shared specific and detailed information about the case that is only known by a few investigators, and new information about a possible suspect and the suspects' connection to police. The source relayed conversations and observations that took place with the possible suspect between 1977 and 1985 that connects the suspect and at least one police officer to the killings.
The source and investigative journalists working on this case believe it is possible that law enforcement representatives may have been involved in a cover up for someone in law enforcement who participated in what is now believed to be the abduction and murders of at least seven children.
Full article
Oakland County Child Killer; Police Cover Up and Cult Rituals
AP - Thurs Nov 4, 2010, 1:48 AM EDT
OAKLAND COUNTY , Michigan - On February 15, 1976 it began. The abduction and murders of four Oakland County children officially linked to what became known as the Oakland County Child Killer or The Babysitter. The Babysitter because the children were held captive for a period between three and 19 days then bathed and redressed in freshly laundered clothes.
Mark Stebbins, 12, Jill Robinson, 12, Kristine Mihelich, 10 and Timothy King, 11, were kidnapped and killed in a similar manner over a 13 month period. In addition, at least three other children between the ages of 12 and 15 are now believed to also be victims of The Babysitter.
At the time it was the most extensive murder investigation in US history. For 34 years, police, task force and federal investigators have believed that a pedophile or sex ring was responsible. But now law enforcement admits every possible suspect has been eliminated through their investigation, DNA testing and physical evidence. Have the real killers been laughing at authorities throughout the decades as they watched investigators drive the train that may have led the investigation down the wrong track?
And now some are questioning whether prosecutors and law enforcement are more concerned about getting credit for solving this high profile case, then cooperating with sources and investigative reporters. Just recently, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, Assistant Prosecutor Paul Walton, Oakland County Under Sheriff Mike McCabe and Sheriff Michael Bouchard quietly took the case away from the Michigan State Police task force lead by Detective Sergeant David Robertson.
On October 18th, 2010 at 9:40 AM a secret meeting took place at former Detroit Police Chief, Ike McKinnon's office with Walton, McCabe, Corey Williams of the Associated Press, and a source with new information about this case. The meeting took place after McKinnon and Williams gave new information from the source to Cooper, Walton and McCabe. The unidentified source shared specific and detailed information about the case that is only known by a few investigators, and new information about a possible suspect and the suspects' connection to police. The source relayed conversations and observations that took place with the possible suspect between 1977 and 1985 that connects the suspect and at least one police officer to the killings. The source and Williams each made a recording of this meeting because it is believed that there may be an ongoing cover up for at least one police officer that may have been involved with these killings.
The source admits that back then he did not have much interest in the case. But a series of news reports starting in 2005 triggered their interest. Now the source believes there is new information that connects a person of interest to the case. Also, the source has developed information related to a connection with ritual and cult activities.
The source says this possible suspect had specific information about this case known only to a few investigators at the time and that he would boast about getting the information from investigators. The source told the prosecutor and investigator at the meeting that this person of interest claimed to have relationships with police in southern Michigan including officers from Troy , Ferndale , Redford and Detroit . This matches the thoughts of a former FBI profiler who reviewed this new information and believes someone in law enforcement may be involved in the Oakland County Child Killings.
The source believes this evidence points to at least two people involved in these serial killings. The source also believes if this potential suspect is responsible then the source may also have information as to where two other victims not officially recognized as Oakland County Child Killing victims may have been buried. These remote sites were locations that the suspect had access to in an area central to abductions and murders that have not been officially linked to the Oakland County Child Killers. Near the end of this secret meeting, Walton and McCabe asked if this person of interest is still alive. The source advised them that the suspect was still alive, living in the area, but would not reveal their name at that time. The source said they would receive the suspects name once the source is convinced this person was involved. That because over the years police in this case have released suspect's names that were thrown out to the public, and later quietly excluded after the damage was done to their reputations.
Both Walton and McCabe were advised that if they would provide information regarding evidence in the case, and if that information were to further confirm the involvement of the potential suspect, then they would be provided the names of all potential suspects. Walton and McCabe said they would first have to clear releasing that information with Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper. Four days later when they were supposed to have provided McKinnon the information as promised, they failed to do so. Days later they provided only two pieces of information that the source already had, and the source realized Cooper was not being sincere in representations that they were willing to work together in confirming this suspect’s involvement.
At that time discussions related to identifying the Oakland County Child Killers ended due to misrepresentations made to the source by Walton and McCabe. The source now believes that Cooper, Walton, and McCabe cannot be trusted, are not interested in any information that leads to police involvement, and may be involved in covering up a potential suspect’s involvement that was a police officer at the time.
For more than three months prior to the meeting of October 18th the source has been trying to work with law enforcement, including the Michigan State Police, the Oakland County Prosecutor's office and the Oakland County Sheriff's Department. Each time the source gave information, but investigators were unwilling to give any information in return that could result in the 34 year old case being solved. Now for the first time, after five years of research and working with investigative reporters, the source is making this information public in hopes that the seven murders of children now connected to this case may be solved.
Retired Berkley Police Detective, Ray Anger, has worked closely on this case since the beginning. He has told the source that over the years he has kept quiet about the shoddy police work on this very public case. He describes a reckless and chaotic task force. Detective Anger says thousands of tips and leads received at the beginning of this case were thrown away. Anger said several investigators would pick up tips at the beginning of the day and then would head to the local golf course or bar. Then they would return at the end of the day and turn in false reports regarding the tip or lead. The local police departments required to assign detectives to the Task Force would sometimes send their worst detectives to work the case, and Anger described many of them as "goofballs
Both Anger and McKinnon acknowledge law enforcement was investigating possible cult involvement. But McKinnon, who was in charge of the sex crimes unit in Detroit at the time, says he was never specifically instructed to look for any cult activity in the areas of Detroit he was investigating. Anger was asked if they were investigating possible ritual or cult activity in this case why they did not make that available to the media or public. He says "because we did not want the media running with that."
The first three children were found lying on their backs with their arms crossed over their chests. The source stumbled on the connection between this case and ritual or cult activity when trying to connect a possible acronym to the cities the children were kidnapped from and the cities where the bodies were left. The forth victim, Timothy King, was found dumped on the side of the road. The source theorizes that because of the huge police presence that night the killers had a close call in Lathrop Village, and were therefore force to dispose of King’s body in Livonia by rolling it out of the van as they drove down Gill Road just prior to turning East onto 8 Mile Road.
The source says the research shows the ritual and cult connection appears to be between two and four cults combined into one. According to one cult expert this is not uncommon because cult members generally put their group together based on their personal beliefs and opinions. This allows them to follow their own beliefs while creating a rational to justify their activities.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 14:00:37 GMT -5
WOW-you guys really want to know who* BOB is and yes I'm going to tell you-but I have to go thru a lot of files -as I would never post it with out the proof-in my hand-before posting---
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 14:06:42 GMT -5
Oh my-It may take me a little longer than -I thought -lol 1,474 ~messages were found matching your search.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 15:34:30 GMT -5
You know, I have to hand it to the Cesspool aka Topix, lol. Who would have ever thought that nonsense would be the inspiration for a book AND a $100 Million dollar lawsuit against Law Enforcement? Now I know what the Inspector meant by “fools”.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 19:24:26 GMT -5
Hmmm-I wonder if this is the Rake Hair Lady A reader notice in a News conference today-and in some news papers -That and attorney stated that neither he or his client, knew the source of his Information-yet they found this post on Topix -where the rakehair lady wanted Inspector 71 to contact her--The Rake Petoskey, MI Reply » #5202 Nov 29, 2010 Inspector 71 - Please contact the "rakehair lady". and since" BOB"-is Inspector 71-The reader wanted to know -If this was a little strange or Did Inspector71-just not contact her-but yet his info-is what is being used in the Law Suit?? Note-I think it is a Mystery with in a Mystery-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 19:43:49 GMT -5
Note-I guess this is what the reader was talking about*-They want the investigation turned over to the Justice Department for a new, independent probe by someone that Bob – their mysterious confidential informant – would be willing to work with to solve the 35-year-old case.
During the hour-long news conference that was long on speculation and short on facts, Hughes accused Oakland County authorities and state police of bungling the investigation or discovering something so terrible, that authorities have covered it up and concealed it from the victims’ families all these years.
“It’s either political embarrassment or something highly disturbing about what they found,” Hughes said at the news conference at the Courtyard by Marriott hotel.
Hughes and Jarvis said they don’t know Bob’s real identity or exactly what he knows. But Hughes said Oakland County and state investigators have refused to provide a piece of information Bob requested to continue his investigation.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 19:59:57 GMT -5
Well lookie at this header from Google that just came in(-Source behind $100 Million Child Killer lawsuit is anonymous to even lawyer ... WXYZ It sounds like the making of a Hollywood murder mystery – but that's the latest twist in the 36 year old Oakland County Child Killer Case. Now we've learned – that new information comes from a man who won't reveal his identity – and he's someone 7 ...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2012 20:08:14 GMT -5
Source behind $100 Million Child Killer lawsuit is anonymous to even lawyer, family Posted: 04/24/2012 Last Updated: 56 minutes ago By: Heather Catallo By: Heather Catallo DETROIT (WXYZ) - Claims of new victims – a secret source -- and a $100 Million dollar lawsuit. It sounds like the making of a Hollywood murder mystery – but that’s the latest twist in the 36 year old Oakland County Child Killer Case. Now we’ve learned – that new information comes from a man who won’t reveal his identity – and he’s someone 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo has spoken to many times. Nobody seems to know who this man is. What we do know is that this source started contacting Catallo back in 2010 – alleging that these murders were related to cult activity and pagan holidays - but 7 Action News never went with the story because he’s provided absolutely no proof. After decades of mystery, police still don’t know who abducted and killed four children along the Woodward Corridor between 1976 and 1977. Some families of the victims have waged a public battle for information from Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper. Kristine Mihelich was the Oakland County Child Killer’s 3rd known victim -- and now her mother is weighing in with a $100 Million dollar lawsuit filed in federal court. “The system has not only failed Kris – but has failed all the victims of the monster that took our kids from us. It’s time for Jessica Cooper to step aside and let the Department of Justice investigate these cases,” said Deborah Jarvis. At a press conference in Detroit, Debbie Jarvis and her attorney Paul Hughes revealed that their lawsuit is based on information from an unknown confidential source who’s been nicknamed “Bob.” “Have you met him,” Catallo asked Hughes. “I have never met him. I wouldn’t know him if he was sitting in this room,” said Hughes. “Do you know his real name,” asked Catallo. “I don’t know his real name,” said Hughes. Jarvis also said she did not know “Bob’s” real name, nor has she met him. Based on the material Hughes included in the lawsuit, it’s believed “Bob” is the same person who was contacting Catallo anonymously in 2010. He said he could prove that there were more than just 4 victims of the Child Killer – and “Bob” wrote up a detailed memo, alleging that the victims were abducted and their bodies were discovered on dates that were connected to Pagan holidays. “Bob” claimed the killings were tied to satanic cult activity in metro Detroit. The problem was, “Bob” would never provide a name, or any information about himself, or a phone number so that we could verify what he was saying. “If he was some crazy dude, he’d just be out there posting it all over. Or he would be turning the matter over to the local county prosecutor. He wanted one piece of information, essentially to confirm what he basically already knew, before he was going to put an individual out there as a suspect. And that, my friends, is integrity on his part. That’s all he wanted to verify before he put that information forward,” said Hughes. “Are you sure he hasn’t posted anything on the internet,” asked Catallo. “No,” said Hughes. In November of 2010, someone posted an Associated Press type article on a blog site. However it’s not an actual AP report. It does, however, match the memo the anonymous source sent to 7 Action News. Hughes says “Bob” has information that ties in additional victims -- young girls who vanished in the 70’s. In the lawsuit he alleges there’s “an extremely high probability that the deaths of Donna Serra, Kim Larrow, Kimberly King, and Jane Allan, among others, are connected to the Oakland County Child Killer case.” But Hughes admitted he was not aware that specific forensic evidence – dog hair and carpet fibers -- that connect the four known victims. One of the things the claims of a cover-up hinges on is the grand jury that’s currently hearing testimony on this case. The attorney says an email from the secret source prompted the Oakland County Prosecutor to impanel the grand jury in less than a week. Here’s what we know about grand juries – it takes a long time to put them together, and there’s a lot of oversight. It doesn’t happen in a week. While they cannot legally discuss any case that’s before the grand jury, the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office is emphatic that they did not convene a grand jury just to keep this confidential source quiet. And the Prosecutor herself is calling this lawsuit groundless – and she says the family’s grief is being exploited. Jessica Cooper also says Hughes could get punished by the court for filing a lawsuit with false information in it. High ranking law enforcement officials tell 7 Action News, they did try to meet with this secret source back in 2010 – but they say he’s the one who never followed through with providing information. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard says there's not a case more important to solve, and if anyone has information on the case, he guarantees it will be investigated. Hughes says the anonymous source is willing to work with the Department of Justice in Washington, and Hughes has contacted Michigan's senators to Read more: www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/source-behind-100-million-child-killer-lawsuit-is-anonymous-to-even-lawyer-family#ixzz1t0gLGUc4
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 3:29:51 GMT -5
-Helen,Was this the same way Kristine's arms were located in the picture you saw in Don Studt's office? Matt On 4/24/2012 11:27 AM, Helen Dagner wrote: > Read this~The first three children were found lying on their backs with their arms crossed over their chests. The source stumbled on the connection between this case and ritual or cult activity when trying to connect a possible acronym to the cities the children were kidnapped from and the cities where the bodies were left. The forth victim, Timothy King, was found dumped on the side of the road. The source theorizes that because of the huge police presence that night the killers had a close call in Lathrop Village, and were therefore force to dispose of King’s body in Livonia by rolling it out of the van as they drove down Gill Road just prior to turning East onto 8 Mile Road.-First sentence John said that in his interview-and The Grilfriend of his who turned him in-Said that is the way they had sex
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 3:37:47 GMT -5
Matt-I already have that Info set -In another story-So I want to wait until this News Blitz is over-so that my Info is not lost in all this confusion-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 3:42:12 GMT -5
Well then you would think that this fine detail that John's girlfriend told Don Studt would have really clicked with him? What am I missing? Scott-*Note Scott-You are missing a lot as are we all-However It will become clear
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 3:44:47 GMT -5
Helen, with all this News Blitz going on,Makes me wonder if Les didn’t find someone to take him seriously, lol. Sue
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