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Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2013 3:01:20 GMT -5
The mystery of Jill’s bike and how it came into the police possession. Using the screen name ‘Spidey’ his true story of riding Jill’s bike
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Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2013 3:06:45 GMT -5
Video #18
Spidey’s Testimony
Witness to Jill’s Bike
After a two-year break, HD Archives returns with more videos.
This first one details the mystery of Jill’s bike and how it came into the police possession. Using the screen name ‘Spidey’ his true story of riding Jill’s bike along with a friend has been around the internet for years but this is the first time he speaks up about the incident. Being only 9 years old at the time, he was never suppose to hang out around Woodward but he did. His mom would have killed him if she ever knew the truth even today. Him and his friend found a girl’s bike leaning against a tree in the middle of the Woodward medium unattended by anyone and decided to ride it home. After a short ride they decided that it wasn’t right and left the bike behind a building (28168 Woodward Ave.) They notified the person inside this building of the suspicious bike, which in turn this clerk called the police about it. At this time it was just a stolen bike and the importance of it was unknown until days later by anyone including the police. The police recovery of exactly where this bike was recovered was lost back then and was never really recorded correctly. In fact the very information about the bike’s recovered whereabouts in the Royal Oak newspaper days later was totally wrong. In fact the location given in the newspaper (East of Jill’s home and in downtown area) never made any real sense relative to her home and Woodward Avenue. The police didn’t know the significance of the bike until Karol Robinson came to identify it. Then the Royal Oak police turned the bike over to the Troy police. Even today the myths of where Jill’s bike was found varies as much as there are OCCK suspects. Folklore has it that the bike was even recovered by police right at Tiny Tim’s Hobby Shop at 13 Mile and Woodward, which is the most unlikely place! Had it been true, there would have been all kinds of witnesses and the case would have been solved long ago. Spidey did try to contact Detective Cory Williams in 2007 to set the record straight about Jill’s bike as he was nudged by Helen to come forward. That did not go over well though with Mr. Williams as too many years has passed for the cold case and no one cares about establishing any concrete facts about this case anyway. Old official records of where the police thought the bike was recovered in Royal Oak cannot be challenged with new information. Things simply do not work that way in police work! Plus they are still too busy chasing Ted and Chris shadows from the Cass Corridor and Fox Island connections. Does Spidey’s fingerprints really match to any type of trace on Jill’s bike? Very likely the answer is ‘Yes’ if there was ever any real forensics done on it but I guess the world will never know! Perhaps Jill’s bike was even lost in police storage through the years and the data taken from it is probably buried forever just like the victims?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2013 4:10:26 GMT -5
Lucy In The Sky With Diamond (You can listen to the Music on Video-16
Jill Robinson's favorite song-when she was abducted ...It made her feel Free..Her body was found Dec.26,1976..along the side of Interstate 75 in Troy...she was now Free...and 37 yrs years later her killer-still-walks free...
The Beatles
Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
Writer, lead vocal: John Lennon
Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
Cellophane flowers of yellow and green,
Towering over your head.
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she's gone.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds...
Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
Where rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies,
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,
That grow so incredibly high.
Newspaper taxis appear on the shore,
Waiting to take you away.
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds,
And you're gone.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds...
Picture yourself on a train in a station,
With plasticine porters with looking glass ties,
Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle,
The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds... In Helen's Own Words - Part 2
Helen's first contact with Tom Robinson (Jill's dad) about John, her first contact with police over the OCCK details given from John, excerpt from Jill's favorite song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and confirmed by a cousin, conceptual view of Hunter Maple Complex from 1977 where Tim was abducted and it's distinct shape from John's map. the various police departments listed on John's maps, parts of John's interview with police from FOIA docs, the inconclusive search for John's passport records and the inquiry of the first interview with John from 1977 with no passport reference back then, the book Wolf in Sheep's Clothing by Tommy McIntyre lend to John from Helen, an excerpt from the book that includes an interview with the first eyewitness account to Tim's abduction and the description of the man talking to Tim standing near a blue Gremlin.
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