Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 29, 2012 10:00:54 GMT -5
Was The Occk An alphabet killer?
H: Hunter-Maple Pharmacy (or Hunter Road where Poppleton Park is located)ï¿½ Pick- up location of Tim King
A: American Legion Hall ï¿½ Pick-Up location of Mark Stebbins
S: Seven ï¿½Eleven ï¿½ Pick-up location of Kristine Mihelich
T: Tiny Tim Hobby Shop ï¿½ Pick Up Location of Jill Robinson
I: I-75 : Drop Off location of Jill (why would someone be so bold as to drop a body on an expressway? Only to solve his alphabet clue, IMO)
N: New Orleans Mall ï¿½ Drop off of Mark Stebbins
G: Gill Road ï¿½ Drop Off of Tim King (why go all the way to Livonia for a drop-off? or Officer Gil Fowler who found Anthony Mitchell?).
S: Bruce Lane ï¿½ Kristineï¿½s drop-off doesnï¿½t make sense except the ï¿½Sï¿½ may fit for snow, he may have wanted to confuse the police and went for Bruce as in ï¿½Dantoï¿½ who wanted the body dumped on Squirrel Road. ï¿½Here is your ï¿½Sï¿½ï¿½, Dr. Danto!ï¿½ Or perhaps S is for Sunnydale; near where Tony Mitchell fell off the Water Tower.
J = Jill
A = Anthony
C = Cynthia? Was he involved? He also may have thought Kristineï¿½s name was ï¿½Chrisï¿½ as indicated on the placemat.
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2012 0:16:17 GMT -5
Interesting post by you today. In looking at the placemat again, I am guessing that he has Poppleton Park listed because perhaps this is where he knew Tim King from – Little League baseball. Or is that where he picked him up on Hunter after the drug store? I’m still a little baffled as to why he would include Oakland Hills and North Hills (and its water tower). Also, Cynthia Cadieux on another map (perhaps it’s a point of reference?) Brother Rice mentioned on this placemat is where John went to high school and Marian is where his older sister attended. Valley Woods? That is where the OCCK task Force headquarters was located.
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2012 0:33:54 GMT -5
Helen, Did you ever see the photos of John over the years on Tom Hastings Facebook account? It’s kind of funny how there are no photos of him after the early 80’s but there are a couple of hundred others of family members. Pete
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2012 0:36:23 GMT -5
Helen, One thing that has always stuck in my mind what you told me about John and his involvement with the King family. That John once stated to you that he attended a Tiger game with a group (Little League?) where Tim King was there and it was his birthday. I had looked up July 9th (Tim’s B-Day) and found that the Tigers indeed played that night – in fact, Mark “The Bird” Fidrych pitched. In fact, over 51,000 were at Tiger Stadium that night: Robert
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2012 0:38:42 GMT -5
Helen, Do you think there is any way he could have been involved with Cynthia Cadieux? Certainly, if he did Jane Allen “in” he could have done the same for Cynthia. I know LE arrested a motor cycle guy but perhaps he’s not guilty??? Just thinking out loud. Scott
Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 1, 2012 0:18:06 GMT -5
Helen, What happen to BOB? Isn't this his work? He wanted to know about that Allen letter so badly -lol- and when he finds out how insignificant it really is to this case,I would love to see his face. (Post on the boards and split into two postings as follows:Post as: The Facts As the information on this board continues to only prove no one has a clue about these cases. Answer me this all knowing ones: Why does Jessica Cooper continue to block, obstruct, and interfere with new information about these cases being made available? Why is Cooper using her influence with media outlets to prevent the release of relevant information and block any efforts for an outside Federal investigation into these cases, her office, and Law Enforcement? Where is the Allen envelope? Has there ever been DNA testing of the envelope? How was it sealed? Whydon’t they know and/or acknowledge who wrote the Allen letter? Why has Cooper’s new investigation failed to uncover how the children were bound? All reported andposted means have been inaccurate. Why are there now 15 cases linked to the same child serial killers over several states through evidence that exceeds any reasonable doubt that investigators and Cooper’s office have failed to discover or acknowledge? In addition there are at least five other cases that are currently being investigated too bring them to the same degree of certainty as it relates to the referenced 15.How many recent cases have not been connected due to Cooper’s activities? continued...POST THE FOLLOWING AS THE SECOND POST: Why are there suspects that include individuals associated with law enforcement, not a part of any file, or allegedly not known to Law Enforcement being investigated? Why have you only heard of suspects that have no connection to any of these cases? Why have investigators and Cooper’s office refused to provide relevant information to other Law Enforcement agencies outside of her Jurisdiction? Is Cooper afraid of where that will lead? Jessica Cooper not only hides information from the families, media, and public. But she does the same with other law enforcement agencies investigating similar crimes outside her jurisdiction. And lastly, why does every other law enforcement agency that has been contacted provide any and all information that was requested and required to connect these cases, including information that was never released publicly, while Jessica Cooper directs those under her control to hide everything?
What do my detractors think about the fact that I have claimed six victims all along? Five for sures and one maybe. What do you think about the fact that I never claimed Punky to be the killer in any of the cases that were solved but it kept getting press that they could have been OCCK victims? What do you think about the fact that news releases earlier this year claim there are probably six victims of the OCCK despite Jessica Cooper later claiming that there is nothing connecting the four main victims? Think about all of this. Don't just automatically start dreaming up ways to shut me up.
By the way, speaking of that, Helen is working very hard behind the scenes to put a wedge between my children and myself. An extremely desperate woman. My children think she is a fruitcake. I think she is an extremely ignorant woman. I think this goes past wanting justice for the families and very heavy into revenge for exposing her as a fraud.
My daughter just won a cruise in a Fox TV contest for the best cancer survivor essay. Viewers did the voting. My daughter is awesome. I am sure glad those nasty rumors about me raping her were only statements from clueless ignorant revengeful people. She cried but she got over it. Am I supposed to be sorry that the truth is finally starting to come out? Les the Master of Honesty
What would be the easiest question for me to pass on a polygraph? That I would know with a 1000% certainty that Kim King is not a victim of the OCCK. However it could easily have been someone very close to the killer. I believe it was a random act done by someone that just seized the moment. Someone that never did it before or after. Note-Les is Delusional -He makes this crap up about me and Tim King to get attention-I do not know Les Children or his ex-wife-I have never contacted them-Why would I ...I do not need any validation that Les is crazy ...He has already prove that him self-to anyone who knows of him-Look I don't even know anyone who reads over there any more...This is exactly what Kdogg did..I wonder if they met in mental health treatment?
Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 3, 2012 23:18:57 GMT -5
Four children were abducted, murdered, and their bodies dumped in a fourteen month period in 1976 and 1977. These heinous acts sparked the largest manhunt in United States history up to that date. The Oakland County Child Killer Taskforce handled thousands of tips, interviewed 19,000 people, pursued leads from every imaginable source, and to date have made no arrests, and achieved no conviction. The Oakland County Child Killer case is one of the highest profile unsolved serial killer cases in United States History.
We will use the power of the moving image to revisit the case in a way that is only possible in a long format documentary film.
It has been said that a documentary film is created in the editing room, which could not be more true. We will shoot close to 100 hours of footage and make our edit to show the human impact that this case has wreaked on the lives of all those it touched, without being exploitive or sensationalistic.
We will explore the theme of ‘evil’ in the film as a sub plot of the film, for the deeper one looks into this case and the acts that took place, one can only come to the conclusion that an evil, exploitive conspiracy was in place and functioning.
We will have never seen before interviews with victims families, investigators, forensics experts, that will all lend a tragic authenticity to the details of the case. We will also focus on one of the many false flags that were pursued with thousands of man hours of investigation; the blue Gremlin.
Other themes presented will include, the missed opportunities of the task force, the 35 year quest of Barry King, father of Tim King to get justice for his son, the Fox Island pedophile ring, the explosive 2006 admission of the polygraph expert who admitted to interviewing the killer of one of the children, and the most up to date developments in the investigation and quest to bring the killer or killers to justice. The Team
Jim Killeen: Writer, Producer, and Director A Birmingham, Michigan native, Jim wrote, produced, and directed “Google Me”, a documentary that explored the meaning of identity in the modern world by traveling the globe to meet other Jim Killeens he met through a Google search. The film was distributed world wide and can be found on Itunes, Amazon, Hulu and Youtube. Jim was proud to be a guest on Oprah.
J. Reuben Appelman: Story Editor J. has nearly completed his book “Murder City Shakedown” on the case, studying nearly four-thousand pages of previously confidential police documents, interviewing dozens of the priciples involved in the case, and brings a reporters objectivity to the process. J. has produced and written for several films, including “Jens Pulver: Driven”, “Playground”, and “Person Of Interest”.
Heather Winters: Producing Consultant Heather has extensive experience as an Executive Producer in the Documentary genre. She was a producer on “Super Size Me”, and executive Produced “Anywhere USA”, “Convention”, and “Class Act”. Heather will focus on selling the film into all revenue channels available to the film.
Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 3, 2012 23:32:02 GMT -5
OK Jack-I put this up for you-Now what is your Biggest Beef about the Documentary? Will give you and everyone else all the space you want to tell us what you are thinking. I do not have any thoughts on it at all at this time,however if and when I do I will post them~