Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 8:42:12 GMT -5
Helen,Here is some other wacky stuff in regards to the field where this event happened, it was more of a forest with grassland in between and several swamps (One of which I hid by). It had two tracks running all throughout it. I don't know if any of the following had anything to do with this guy who tried to get me. 1. There were pentagrams and strange writing on trees and on the ground and small animal sacrifices within circles of stones (lots of my siblings saw these. 2. Around a year later I found a dead german shepherd all burned up in a pentagram made up of stones, I showed it to my brother because he did not believe me. He did after he saw it.~*NOTE~~This area is located in the Bloomfield-Birmingham area-some of you have photos of this area-I WANT THEM-Wait until I post the tip line phone number-then please call me- Thanks Helen
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 19:47:19 GMT -5
To the person followed by the man and two dogs. Were you ever near the proximity and time that the OCCK victims were abducted? Perhaps you didn't see anything but someone believes you did. Can you think of any reason why you were followed? Matt
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 20:22:12 GMT -5
I bet this is something most of you didn't know-That The Michigan State Police -have every piece of evidence-from day one of these cases-all of the cases-they have never lost or misplaced -even one item-Wow!
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 20:43:56 GMT -5
I always remembered it being green but can't be 100% it wasn't faded blue. It was a long time ago, I saw the guy drive right up to me and then he stopped directly ahead of me, his window not more than 10' from me. That is why I have often wondered if I got hyptnotized I might be able to read the plate. I don't know the 1st thing about hypnotizing though and don't know if its real or sci-fi. I would say more Maverick than any of the others but again it was a long time ago.
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 20:50:29 GMT -5
CYO stand for Catholic Youth Organization. I lot of the catholic schools had basketball teams and kids who were not going to the school but belonged to the parish could still play for the team. I played basketball at the Our Lady of Refuge team. I often wondered if I played against Tim, if I did he probably would have played for Saint Hugo, just wondered if creeps watched those games, really its just a silly thought. That area is now a subdivision, there were actually two large plots of land, both on Commerce Road bordered by Old Orchard Trail and Green Lake Road, the other Green Lake Road and West Acres Sub. Both are now fancy subs with expensive homes. The swamp is still there as well as an old trail that I used to roam on. The hill and forest are still there too from where I came out and the man drove up on the two track (that is now a house). I think I spoke of the field and its weirdness in the same post I am looking for. I don't know how to search your site or I would seek it out myself. It seems all I can see are the writings you did, which are all very enlightening. I never really wanted to get too involved but since I think the white dog is such a large clue I felt I had too.
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 21:00:24 GMT -5
I have always thought that the white German Shepherd was such a good clue, and there are so few as most breeders put white ones down. I have always maintained that there were two dogs involved and when I so many years and years ago called the Oakland County Detective in charge he told me there were no dogs involved. I sort of dropped it at that until I left the post on your blog a year or so ago (I think probably two years ago) and another blog about the incident. The reason I did this sketch is that I couldn't find my old one that I had e-mailed a year or so ago to that woman I spoke of earlier and I also heard of the white animal hairs and I freaked out (hair stood up on my spine) and had to produce one showing the dogs as they were hanging out the window. I now am convinced that the man was indeed the OCCK. I talked to the Bloomfield Police Chief? Xxxxx Xxxxx and he told me they still don't know the breed of the dog as there is a backup in California at the place that does animal DNA. I told him I bet they find it to be German Shepherd. I used to get scared at night thinking this creep may still be out there and could possibly harm my family. I think now that he is dead. Do you think so also? Oh, by the way the sketch is much better but I gave it to Chief Xxxxx who promised to forward it to the State Police. I am a trained artist and teach art at three different schools. Xxxxx
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 21:06:50 GMT -5
Hello Ms Dagner, I posted on your site a year or two ago about my experience when I was a child and the man who tried to abduct me in West Bloomfield, Oakland County, MI. He had two dogs in his car, one of which was a white German Shepherd, the other a hound. Now it has come out that the victims had white dog hair on them. I have spoken to police and given them a sketch of the man and the dogs but it will make me more credible if I can find the old post that I wrote before the white dog hair link became public. Unfortunately I don't remember the user name or password I used. It may help if you ask your posters as one of them gave my info to a woman who , though a little strange, seemed to have a lot of info, I can't remember her name either (I should write stuff down). I want to help the police as I saw the man, his car, and his dogs, for some time as he addressed me and asked me to come to his car door. He chased me with his car and let his dogs out to try to find me in the woods. I touched them as they nosed me where I was hiding. I always thought I had some very useful information and may even be able to be hypnotized in regards to the car plate. If you can help, please do. Here is a cut off copy of the drawing I gave to Police Chief Steve Cook a few weeks ago. Thanks, Xxxx
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 21:20:01 GMT -5
Helen if there was really dog fur that matched both dogs on the victims she describes, I would say this has a really great chance of being connected otherwise it's really hard to say. Any idea what the other dog was? I wonder if the German Shepard is more likely to shed fur than the other dog? Tom NOTE" one of which was a white German Shepherd, the other a hound."
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 24, 2011 22:09:15 GMT -5
Hello Matt, Who are you?, Of course I saw something. I don't have a clue if I was followed or if it was random. I was thirteen. The white dog is the key. Someone has to recognize a man who use to cruise with two dogs, one being a white shepherd. Good night! xxxx
Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 14:27:08 GMT -5
"JUST THE FACTS MA'AM " ~~ I have always thought that the white German Shepherd was such a good clue, and there are so few as most breeders put white ones down. I have always maintained that there were two dogs involved and when I so many years and years ago called the Oakland County Detective in charge he told me there were no dogs involved. I sort of dropped it at that until I left the post on your blog a year or so ago (I think probably two years ago)....