Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 17:03:39 GMT -5
Atlanta, GA Reply » | Report Abuse | Judge it! | #1579 Feb 4, 2009
This is an open request for any bona fide information on the Oakland Child Predator cases. If anyone can recommend specific articles, books or people to be interviewed those suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am in the rpocess of collecting this information for a major book on the case. Please understand I am not interested in speculation because that is a bottomless pit. Thanks to one and all. * Note- Above post -Yep that is Lilly also
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 17:13:01 GMT -5
When "Lilly" said this(.Please understand I am not interested in speculation because that is a bottomless pit)..well it was laughable-And it still is ,and maybe even more so-since we have seen and read her book-Which is the most disgusting piece of literature I have ever read...Her trying to connect it to the Occk-Is absolutely.... Insane! and for those who encourage her and you know who you are,your no better than she is!
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 17:18:52 GMT -5
I have to go back and check a few things in the book and find a timeline, but she had to have been researching before I put my .com down She mentions in the book that she "threw out feelers" and posters were fighting for her attention, lol. That wasn't very long ago, I remember the posts. One of the funniest parts is where she thinks I may be Inspector71, lmao about that one. She quickly corrects herself though when she claims that two men with European accents showed up to remind her they could get to her any time. She did get Dan in Detroit right, and really seems to appreciate "Just thinking's" posts. Who is is "Just thinking" Patrick? Well we will know that soon also...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 17:29:40 GMT -5
I find Lilly to be very deceptive and she's every bit as "snooty" (to quote her in regards to the bar tender) as Cyber was. She also is a half ass writer, portions of her book are excellent, but where it starts, does not match the middle or end of the book. "Cybers" theories are brought out in the book, and Lilly simply lied about living in Michigan in the book.
If you read enough posts by the same writer, you can get a pretty good idea of who's behind it. Lilly and Cyber,
Ironically...in her book she states that "Lilly knew John wasn't the killer" but nowhere does she offer any reasoning as to how she actually "knew". She also leads one to believe she had first hand knowledge of who the killer was, then later admits she found McKinney through research. So we know she took that Info off my site-as there is no info out there on John McKinney that didn't come from my research and we know that she doesn't do any research-I have no problem with her taking the info off my sites-as we have it out there to share-but when she adds her evil twist to it--and then says it's true....well I'm not going to let her get away with that...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 17:52:27 GMT -5
Helen,I see your on a roll here and I don't mean to interrupt you, however I've only read a handful of pages, but I can tell already that I dont like her attitude or her tone .I'm surprised Cathy and Judy have been such advocates of her book. well it is good that you learn now about them,it is really true "birds of a feather flock together" and then Terri in that mix,well I won't be inviting them to my house for dinner,you either hey? Sally
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 18:03:32 GMT -5
Helen,toss this out there -so people get a real idea of this gang,December 20, 2009, 12:35 PM
I don't want to dig up your thousands of posts here but you claimed that you did all this research for Helen. You stated not only Busch but you had dug up all the addresses of John and his family. Now you are confused over a little thing like John's own address. That address has been on Helen's site hundreds of times through the years. You claimed you corresponded with Helen for 4 years over this and you know all about her case. Something does not add up here. You may believe me but I'm sorry but I don't put any stock in anything you state. You continue to waste away all the readers here with your ramblings that go on and on repeatedly all over the place. Are you handicap? You supposely know all the OCCK key people on a personal level which includes the suspects and the investigators. You try so hard to put yourself in the middle of this whole thing and Helen's case. You would rather ramble on with your bullnuts then to spend a minute doing a google search on these addresses. Why do you feel that you have to waste these readers here with your bullnuts? Why must you feel that you have to post here more than anyone else? I don't think anyone here believes you anymore and Cyber seems to be gone. I can see why you don't have a web site. You would be the only one posting and reading it. You have spread your garbage through out this whole thread. It is pathetic and it would only take about 3 posts to cover everything you've tried to state in your thousands of posts. You have been very rude and inconsiderate to the readers here as they have to continue to weave through your garbage.
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 18:12:05 GMT -5
Few more post from Topix-December 9, 2009, 11:16 AM
If you want to be a successful author you really need to stop generalizing and jumping to false conclusions. In case you’re wondering about your false conclusions, here are a few for you.
cyber wrote: "I believe H will never want to go to the media because she feels she POSSESSES the information she has gathered. She seems to be confused about the concept of the copyright law. If she WRITES, as in COMPOSES, a story about OCCK she can copyright it. She can not copyright or own INFORMATION."
I’ve already pointed this one out in another thread, just mentioning it now as another “false conclusion”
cyber wrote: "Some poster here got all uppity because they think an innocent person shouldn't get a lawyer. I guess they've lived pretty sheltered lives. For your own good, for the sake of the kids, for your safety and peace of mind I would look into a lawyer, first and on his recommendation, the hypnotist, second. Then you can stop racking you brain and you will know what it is you do know and what you don't know."
Since Cody and I were the only two posters to comment this must refer to one of us, most likely me. If I was “uppity” in that reply, it was in regards to LE needing to listen to the witnesses, as many have come forward only to be blown off by the taskforce. If you would like to read their accounts you can find them on Helen’s site.
cyber wrote: "It's a sad state of affairs when everyone on a website such as H's assumes that a writer wants to write a book to make money. Didn't you ever hear "Knowledge is Power"? Without getting people's awareness up these type crimes will just continue. That's the power of the written word."
“Everyone” is too general. Personally, I don’t care if you want to write a book much less what your reasons are, so long as it’s accurate and you don’t expect me to do your research for you. And yes, I’ve been a member on Helen’s forum for quite some time. In fact, you also pm’d me several times. From your posts, it appeared you were convinced a Priest did it and were only looking for input to support your theory. Maybe this is a “false conclusion” on my part, but I’m not the one trying to write a book.
As for a book to get the word out, good luck with that. Yours will not be the first book written about the case. In fact, Michaels L. Parrott’s book “The Oakland County Child Killings” can’t be found anywhere. Its description states “A mentally disturbed Priest from a Birmingham parish abducts and murders three children one winter before committing suicide. Based on an actual unsolved case, the work is set in various Oakland County locales.” Another book loosely based on the case is the fiction book “The Snowman’s Children” by Glen Hirshberg, although this one deals with the impact of the children growing up in the area at the time. And of course, there was “A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing” by Tommy McIntyre, which is probably the closest to being accurate since it was written at Robinson’s request. There are also several books that mention the case, such as “The Riverman” by Robert Keppel,“Monster In The Closet” by Russell Moore,“Drama Queers” by Frank Anthony Polito, and “Darker than Night” by Tom Henderson.(It comes up during Dan’s testimony)
Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 18:41:06 GMT -5
<quoted text>I believe H will never want to go to the media because she feels she POSSESSES the information she has gathered. She seems to be confused about the concept of the copyright law. If she WRITES, as in COMPOSES, a story about OCCK she can copyright it. She can not copyright or own INFORMATION.
I realize you and Helen had a falling out, but I think your misunderstanding her intentions.
Helen doesn't care about the press, writing a book, or achieving fame through this case. She wants it solved so she can go on with her life and put the last 18 years behind her.
She may not have given the press the information she gathered, but it might surprise you to know the majority of it HAS been turned over to law enforcement. Although I cannot personally vouch for this, I'm sure a few others on the site who have talked to the task force can verify this as FACT. Now, does the task force still have it? That's the $800,000 question.(The amount required to find out under the Freedom of Information Act)
Post by Helen Dagner on May 3, 2011 13:31:28 GMT -5
Lol...Hey I'm not going to make it a full time job,reading your emails about Lilly the-Douchebag -I have read a few of your emails and yes I agree with you on every point,she is not a person to be trusted nor any of her associate ,but you know what, I have a lot to do-and now that part #3 is up on You Tube-the gang and I have to get at #4-so limit your emails on this subject and when I have free time I will post what I can...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 3, 2011 19:20:15 GMT -5
Helen,I just found this on a search, SITE READERS FEEDBACK-OCCK & JOHN McKINNEY Over 174,205 +Views & 1,661 + Posts!.....and Occk Related Photos...I guess you did cover McKinney-this is just one thread you had on him,I remember the other ones had over 2,000 post each and over 300,000 hits,wow you were a busy gal! Mary