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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2011 22:05:39 GMT -5
In one of my original Task Force reports-It states the age and appearance of the murdered youngsters might very well be more important than their sex-also they felt strongly that the slayer of the four Oakland county children was not a sex killer-.One Psychiatrist said," I have some serious reservation as to whether the killer gets any sexual gratification from the Killings.It seems puzzling that the offender would seek out local community children as his victims, when street kids or hitchhikers would be easier rmarks-It maybe, however, that for some psychological reason, the offender wants nice children. The four victims do physically resemble each other-all were attractive youngsters and that may suggest that he selects a specific type of victim, that rather than this being a random event - He may see them as symbolic of something he resents-He may see them as projections of himself---Bond marks on the boys wrists and ankles may suggest that bondage played some part in the offense, but these might simply have been the result of the elastic in the cuff of the victims jacket.-From the facts in this case, it would appear that power and control is the dominant component....there is little evidence of anger toward the victims, with the exception of Jill Robinson, whose head is partially blown off by the shotgun blast otherwise, the victims are not battered or abused-Although sadism can not be ruled out, there is little evidence indicating that aggression is eroticized by this killer.-We are not dealing with a child batterer or a child collector-It appears that the intent of the offender is to have control over the victims to have them in his power.The abduction and holding of his victims over an extended period of time are consistent with this. Each victim is held for a progressively longer period of time.-The depositing of the bodies in highly visible locations may simply be expediency or it may have some psychological significance...It could serve to call attention to his crimes,and in that way give him a feeling of recognition-or It maybe promoted by a wish to see the deceased victim receive proper funeral and burial....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 18, 2011 15:14:30 GMT -5
If anyone has ever had anything ti do with a serial killer investigation-they would know that back in the 70s NO ONE would have linked any of the Occk victims to each other as being a serial killer case because at that time male and female victims were not routinely in the same series of murders -unless there was a preexisting relationship between the victims...the Task Force freely admitted that the Stebbins and Robinson murders were not immediately connected by any police authorities because the gender and cause of death for each victim-were different....the police did not consider the fact that they were both held as living captives for a period of time and then dumped in plain sight where they would be discovered....Now we can look back at all four victims and clearly see the similarity...and although we also can look back over 35 years of which we watched the police track down child molesters-knowing full well that none of them could have carry out these murders-still NO ONE realizes-that they have not considered the only motive...that there could be-that the plan was to abduct and kill four children...because it represented -something to the killer-and by the way-I know from talking to several killers-that their thought patterns-do not match any thing a normal person would think was logic...with the serial killer-things often happen for other than the obvious reason...So why did the killer stop...IMO...Plain and simple...the plan was completed-2 boys and 2 girls= 4-Siblings!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 19, 2011 10:20:53 GMT -5
My entire team is all over Michigan today,and have been the past few days-interviewing -taking photos,ect. ect....this includes my graphic guy...so there is no way I can put up the Photos of "Their new Suspect".....when everyone gets back-we will.--In the mean time,we are working on getting the hard evidence,together on the real Oakland County Child Killer...so we can bring and end to this insanity!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 21, 2011 18:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2011 18:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 25, 2011 19:28:53 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Please look at the two images I have provided. The shading on the face makes no conforming sense from an artist's point of view or for the viewer.
I believe there may be an imbeded cryptogram on this drawing. Years ago, one of my duties in the Naval Intelligence was serving as a trained photo interpreter. We used to look at changes in east block weapons systems on Russian built ships among other things, so I suppose my eyes looked at that Stebbins drawing differently than most sets of eyes. It kind of leaped off the page at me, and I'm convinced something is there. I don't know if the released image was the whole page, or just part of it; but the shading on the left side of Stebbin's face makes no sense and appears to be a large purposeful "V" there, and the shading on the upper lip line extended out from the left nostril to his right cheek just can't form letters like that as an accident upon close inspection. I don't know what to call that font, but it appears it may have been missed by others in the past if there. While the image is horrid, one needs to look beyond the obvious in it. They have only had it for 34 years now, but may not have. I"m sure someone who is more of an artist than I ---- would do better with it.
We all have the same goals here, and I would value your opinion on this. What I get is :
"MAY O U 4 V" or put another way " (I) May Owe You Four Victims" perhaps.
I found this odd at first, as Stebbins was the first known victim, but ofcourse the drawing was found in 11/78 AFTER all four victims were dead. OR it could mean, he felt he owed four MORE Victims as an unpaid debt at the time of his supposed suicide, and he completed another three we know of in Jill, MIchelle, and Tim.
Could it be that perhaps Harold Busch was burning all of Chris's art work among the documents as well as claimed by the other son Charles Busch ? I wonder if anyone knew Chris well enough that have any surviving art from that era, or if he were known to like to put cryptic messeges in his work. I vividly remember this era as having subliminal messeges in the 60's and 70's, and that it was a high tech art form at the time. Started by Peter Maxx I think. I seem to recall that RC Cola was sued over using such subliminals in their commercials, which ended the practice openly.
Patrick: Note-I notice it also-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 25, 2011 20:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 25, 2011 20:59:33 GMT -5
Pat,The first thing I looked for on the sketch when it was posted on the news story was the embedded cryptogram on this drawing -because that is the way John did some of his drawings..I was glad to see it there-However my graphic guy was on vacation so I wasn't able to run it by him--But I agree that your interpretation is most likely right and it fits Johns Motive -perfectly!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 11:22:40 GMT -5
Helen, Question - are there hand writing experts who also analyze drawings and paintings and can ultimately determine the author when compared to the known works of that person? Are there other paintings and drawings of John that can be compared to the Stebbins drawing? Thanks. Greg NOTE; IT IS YES TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 28, 2011 20:05:32 GMT -5
Helen, what makes you think that there could have been 5 people killed by the occk--well back a few years a psychic went to see Det.Gray-and she had drawn a picture of 5 children and one was older-so it is just something to think about....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 29, 2011 6:09:38 GMT -5
At the most this was a Hoax...and yet 34 years later...some cops still think this is true?? The logic-the logic??? "Tip Number 9,693 is still troubling police in Oakland County , though they've spent five months and hundreds of hours trying to trace it down. The tip was given to Dr. Bruce Danto, a Detroit psychiatrist, by a man who identified himself only as Allen. Allen told Danto that he is the roommate of the south Oakland County killer.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2011 0:33:42 GMT -5
What the hell happened? This is a downer, plain and simple. The cases have just been in an error-laden oblivion for so long; one layer after another. Fiction becomes truth and legend is mixed in with fact....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 31, 2011 12:58:42 GMT -5
Ok-You all have asked who told me about the car John was suppose to have owned? Note: His Father
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 31, 2011 22:39:31 GMT -5
Helen, I finally found a Gil connected to the OCCK - Patrolman Gil Fowler found Anthony Mitchell under the water tower. Tim King dumped on Gill Road (for Gill Fowler), Kristine Mihelich dumped on Bruce Lane (for Bruce Danto):
Mihelic H Anthony Mitchell Stebbin Snow Ten Mile Road I-75 Robinso Norberg Kin Gill Road (for Officer Gil Fowler) double meaning? Studt- I know you can make an acronym work for almost anything but: 1) Why would any killer dump a body on a busy major expressway like I-75? 2) All 4 OCCK victims last name's last characters are in the name Hastings? What er the odds? 3) With Gill Road being in Livonia, a good distance from where he lives because he purposely dumped Tim King on Gill Road to give LE yet another clue. 4) Hastings barrel 5) Drawing with the words above the lip "I may owe U 4" for yet another clue. If I had the information available to me that LE has, I'm sure I could find more clues that would point to Hastings. This killer wanted to taunt the police and he has won...so far.****The reason I think there could be something here is because, I know John that well-The John I know was emotionally invested In symbolism in general...and making grand or clever symbolic gestures in particular such as taunting the cops....symbolically re-creating and destroying his own family paradigm with 2 brothers and 2 sisters....
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