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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 12:26:36 GMT -5
This is Manny's Post that I will be answering today Manny said**-Helen has quite a following, why hasn't someone helped her over the years with her website, it's a mess with partial transcripts in different places and things rather disorganized. Why the misspelling and typos on her video's? Why aren't the people who are convinced she is right helping her because the mistakes and lack of PR simply don't help her credibility. I'm not saying that I don't think she is credible. Just wondering why all these people willing to fight Jerry Springer style for their champion on the interent endlessly for years haven't helped her in a more productive way. Surely one of her people can create a professional website.
The clock is ticking, John is not a young man, his Father is dead. Busch is survived by one brother. People who may know something are getting old. I think the time has come. The police have held their information for decades and have not succeeded in naming the OCCK. It's time for them to put it all out there before it is too late.
I give Helen a great deal of credit for getting her stuff out there and surely she must have had to develop a tough skin and her tenacity has served her well. For crying out loud, somebody help her get the site together in a professional design that is well organized and easy to navigate and is better edited. Why is she having to do all of this on her own with so many supporters? (PS-you said "their champion on the interent" Is spelled INTERNET-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 13:18:11 GMT -5
Let us get started-To begin with Manny-I do not like Stupid people because they use absolutely NO reasoning-This statement you made convinces me that you have Alpo Syndrome-Which means your brains are about as organized a and active as your typical can of dog food-you can not understand the written word-and then you try to pick it all a part-like you have some kind of inside scoop-you don't! I think I do pretty well for someone who has a Free Web site that does not offer the tools to get anything organized-ones it is posted -there is no way of changing the location-and I post in the moment-which means -that I fill any space available-On my paid site Helen Dagner .com -I could do anything -It was great! But I gave that site up when I found out that I was Terminally Ill, I needed the money for other things and I didn't know how long before I would lose the energy to keep it up and I didn't want to leave a bill owing in the event that this was going to be a rapid decline to my certain death-Why the misspelling on my videos--boy that is an easy question to answer-I type with one finger- and the very fact that I have way over a million posts on the Internet-should say volumes for my efforts -But not to a bottom feeder like you-Interesting that you should bring up spelling -when your posts-even the one above has spelling errors-I don't know what your excuse could be. However Google thinks that I do alright-They carry over 2 million searches for my posts-In fact Google loves Helen-..Just to let you know how out of touch with reality that you are-When you say why don't people help me with the site-Everyone who has ever followed the Occk knows that I have always had a large group of volunteers who do graphics and have done more research -than you would be able to read in your life time and they did it all at their expense-because they also wanted the truth-I am not the only one who has spent 12 hours a day everyday-week-ends and Holidays working on this case-Then to have a moron such as your self come a long and make the statements that you are making-tells me your just another Internet Troll...and I'm not done with you yet-you want to hear the story behind the scenes with the occk-well stay tuned-sorry I can not finish this in one setting-However I must lay down as you have Zapped my energy-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 18:04:46 GMT -5
More from Manndy...I'm out and will read in depth later. Sorry you are Sick but the Jerry Springer antics only help your detractors. You are a pit bull for sure, probably why you haven't let go though . I think you need help putting your info out there. That's all, I'm not saying I could do a better job, just that someone else must be able to. If you want what you are saying to be widely accepted you need a better format and some help. You are like a snapping turtle, you need to stop biting everyone, even if that is hard for you. It hurts your credibility. You need to mend some fences with the family here. Truth may hurt but it sounds like attracting new people to the case is the best hope of getting pressure and resolution. You need to stop offending everyone but maybe you can't. You just don't get it, the only person you are hurting is yourself and your cause.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 18:06:22 GMT -5
..and my reply-MANNY-Who hides under a screen name-lol--So you think I " need to mend some fences with the family here""" Now I know you are a Lunatic....That was a good one Manny...Now take your meds and get some rest...as you sure as hell need it-maybe it well help you to clear that nasty mind of yours...it would not surprise me to find out you are family -certainly you are cut from the same cloth-lol-what amazes me-is your not only a moron -who thinks your clever-lol you believe your own BS!-Why is it that when you run a cross some one like you-who has no knowledge and they are trying to fake it...they always sound just like you-just like Terri-just like Les-Just like PIG HEAD-Yep Terri waited so long for my obit-that it put her-right over the edge-and she was the crusader-of all that was dumb-stupid and ignorant-malicious-and down right dirty-so you came to take her place hey? Well good luck with that mission-I also like the way you tried -like others before you to project your thoughts to me-the fact is Manny -I have not bitten any one in at least 7 mos-sooo there!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 19:01:14 GMT -5
OH YA-THESE ARE MANNYS LAST WORDS-Please don't mistake me for someone who even cares who you think I am or what you think of me. If you want to shine in a wave of wacko glory, more power to you. I just don't care. Just makes you look bad when people look into the case, that's all I'm sayng. You need a PR rep and and an editor. Unlike others who have come before, I won't waste anymore time on you as you are not my interest, your more like a side note in this case. Good luck to you Helen. I hope you find your smoking gun and manage to put a killer behind bars, until then. ***NOTE*Now Manny will probably kill off this screen name-and post under the other ones -she has been posting under at topix...lol on the same forum-the Occk-Please note for someone who hates bad spellers and always downs them on the Internet-she has another one in this posts (saving)...lol-*saying does not have a v...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 21:44:48 GMT -5
Ya Manny didn't stay off of Topix for long-just like Terrie -and a dog returning to there vomit! Here is her lates little Jewel- Which of course I will answer-later-Yes, you have a point. His name and Helen's are not mainstream, only people who hear the report and spend time looking further into it would find Helen's John,(most people don't), so perhaps it is out of his means and not worth the cost.
Still, if you are being questioned in a child serial killing case, being asked to take polygraphs and your family is also being interviewed by police, I just can't imagine not getting an attorney for that. I suppose it is possible he felt he had nothing to hide, but still.
And yes, it would be unusual for him to quit killing. The BTK quit, but his ego still didn't allow him to remain quiet. Yes, I worried for Helen's safety as well and briefly entertained the notion she may be the killer, many have speculated it was a woman. It's all quite baffling. Still I think the answer is right under our noses. I wish they would just put all the evidence out there. It's to late in the game to claim they are hot on the trail of a breaking investigation, it's rather pathetic actually.
By the way, just to clarify since some allegations about me were made, I'm not presenting myself as an expert. I'm waiting for the books I ordered, I'm nothing more than a person who grew up in the area and remember the police coming to my school and being afraid. My stepfather used the case to scare me more than the average kid. I saw Tim's Father on the news and felt he shouldn't be going through all of this all of these years later and I started reading. I'm just interested, I don't want to do battle or be somebody special.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2012 22:39:35 GMT -5
#8869 9 min ago Manny are you sure that you never worked on the Mark Stebbins case against Ted Lamborgine-because you sure sound like the attorney that worked on that case-That was another one of Cory's ideas -I really think it would give you some in site on what is going on right now in the Busch case...I mean you should see how horrible they had Ted being to Mark-when he was the Occk- The Law Office that handle this-Mr King worked for and may even be a partner...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2012 11:18:08 GMT -5
Hey don't send me any more posts from Topix-I’m getting tired of the circles at Topix….we just go round and round like a merry go round that never stops, lol. Might be time for a Topix break-seriously-I have never seen so much junk being posted in one place ever-from so many people who don't know what they are talking about-and you can not educate them with facts-lol-because they can not recognize a fact......-they have never had one-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:14:02 GMT -5
You are the only poster on this entire thread that qualifies as GJ witness material. Then you could confess what you are holding back. What is the hold up? If this happened already they would have zipped you tighter than a drum. Notles
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:32:56 GMT -5
It is old news-I actually learned the Busch name in 2004 -but I didn't know what I had-I was interviewing Johns Dad-and It was a question about if he knew any neighbors around there from the 76-77 time frame-he said well there were some Busch' the Dad was a big Guy at the Auto Company-I then took what I wanted out of the Interview and put it away--then I had a reason some time later to go back to the interview when I was working on the water Tower death-I was looking to see who the boys were at the water tower-and I noted this Busch guy had several sons-no names--and I thought wonder if they had one that commit suicide on the same day as my husband only 5 years difference as John had mention-So I sent to a friend of mine who is on Topix now and asked her if she could find out anything on this family and the rest is History-Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:40:47 GMT -5
Helen, I can take it. Alpo is not so bad. I get it, I do. But geez, I just don't get how anybody who can do something (not me) is going to ever look at your stuff as legit with the tight group and the brawls. So I said it wrong and I suck myself without spell check, but what if some big time journalist wanted to show your video on national tv? That's what I meant by the spelling.
And when I read your site I get half of one report and then the next was something else and that's all I was saying. There is no one point for all of your facts, no easy way to figure out what you have, that makes it easy for you to call me Alpo and hard for me to know what you are talking about.
I'm trying to figure this out but can't because there just isn't a library for what you guys are talking about. I'm really not dumb, I have no agenda and I am wondering if your presentation isn't why your suspect hasn't been vetted? Or maybe your suspect is being vetted and that's why the prosecutors wont talk to the King family and finger Busch?
So riddle me this, why didn't you run like hell when this guy told you he was a child killer? Manndy
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:42:26 GMT -5
Manny having owned two newspapers-I know it doesn't matter about spelling-there are people hired to fix that--Manny did you ever look at the amount of people that have read our videos-it is a lot-and I could have thousands more view them-but I don't want them covered with adds-I am up set that on my free site they put videos next to them--Look if you go on Youtube and look at the Newspaper and TV videos that have been put up on the Occk-you will see 24 views-38 views-they get no hits unless they connect them to ours on the show sheet-Before we had our videos up -the Chris bush video had 38 views-they hook it to ours and now he is in the hundreds--That is why I correct you when you say -that I'm not presenting my case about John right and then you say you just think it would improve it -if I did this or that-I have been at this along time-and I know what works and doesn't work-We have had many request to buy are videos-I turn them down-not a day goes by that some one doesn't want me to appear here or there-That is not what I'm about-I'm not selling the Occk-I'm telling a story-that was told to me--and so far that is not for sale-My site as I explained it to you-is a post in the moment -space available-and I have a very long history with the people who follow my postings -trust me they are not missing a thing-they know how to find it--your complaint about this probley seems right in your eyes--but hey I can not find things on my site either-but you have to remember-I could charge for people to come to my site-and they would pay-but I let you come there for free Manny-I let you view all the Photos-Documents-Ect-for Free Manny-and I have the largest coverage of Occk stuff available on the Internet-You have no Idea the work that has to go into a site like mine-why do you think no one else on here has a site-because it is a lot of work-and many people donate there time to make this work-I just can not believe that you can not see the effort that goes into this-I don't think you could handle it-it is very stress ful and a very thankless job-but I can truthfully say no one has ever criticize the videos or the site-So you think maybe -you could think that over-and see if you are the only one to ever of done it may be you could be wrong? Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:45:06 GMT -5
Helen, I don't know crap and I've said as much. This is a curious place. I'm interested though. I peed the bed at night thinking my stepfather was the OCCK. He wasn't, he was just an not a very nice person trying to scare me. I told you, I saw the recent Defenders report and have done some reading. I'm a little shocked at the attention I've gained here, but I'm starting to get this is a tight group that has been at it for awhile.
My books didn't come today,(getting "Portraits in the Snow" and "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing") I'm trying to catch up but everything is all over the place, there is nowhere to go where there is comprehensive easy to catch up on quickly material. This forum is a cross between Jerry Springer, WWF and CNN with things missing in between.
I'm not dumb, but I'm nobody and I don't matter at all in this case. Don't waste your time on bashing me, I'm not Gunnels girlfriend with the e-mails, I'm not anyone who was here before and I don't know crap. I'm just asking. I do think you are rather mean, but then again, I'm fond of many older, mean people.
If you just play to your groupies though, then what? If you just talk to the people in the loop then what? Sure you guys want to chase new people away by bashing the heck out of them for making the wrong observations and not asking the right questions?
Thank you for answering my questions even though you call me dog food brains. I really do appreciate it and yes I mean that seriously. When you throw out first names and such I really don't know the Ted's and Mark's and Cory's, but I read up on those tonight. For anyone trying to figure this out, it's all piece meal though. You guys all need to not take things so personally and to be a little patient unless you just want to chew on this alone amongst your little clique forever. Manny
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