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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 17, 2012 12:29:53 GMT -5
Helen,Funny, I watched a crime episode last night and there was a case about a guy in Michigan (David Draheim) who killed a lady (Jeannette Kirby) using a knife and flexible handcuffs (hand ties) back in the 80s. The hand ties led to his arrest. The thing I recall is that he passed a lie detector test years earlier. The policeman believed that psychopaths can pass lie detector tests because they have no remorse over the killings. www.crimezzz.net/serialkillers/D/DRAHEIM_david.php Question – did you ever get the impression that John had any remorse? NOTE-ANSWER-NO JOHN DIDN'T SHOW ANY REMORSE~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 17, 2012 20:54:42 GMT -5
Helen,Is that les on Topix a nut? Jack Note pretty much-Here is a post Lilly just posted to him at Topix-It says it all!!!~Just to re-cap:
Les wrote:
The forum claims they want me to verify my evidence but really they don't. Just like fireworks the grand finale comes at the end, not the beginning. You have to see it through if you want to find out the most d**ning information.
CasObs wrote:
I do not want to watch your entire fireworks show to get to the Grand Finale. The fact you won't just spill it tells me your ego is hugely involved which leaves no room for the desire to solve this case.
Unless you just give us the proof, the grand finale, right now, I don't want to help you play out your show.
Then Les had a melt down with the whole “PIG” thing
All these months of carrot dangling,“you have to put up with my sh*t first” if you want the information.” Has just about run its course with the most patient among us.
This isn’t a case of wanting to deliberately drown out a contributor with a different view. It is a case of seeing through Les’ agenda. He is very clear.
He wants to continue to put on a show: I believe this might be his thinking on the lineup.
“I Les, alone will decide when and where the performance will end. I don’t know how to act in any situation but I actually have someone’s attention.
In the meantime if you want my information you will read bits and pieces of it veiled and intertwined for months and months with the graphic details of my sex life. You will wade through every aspect of my life and claims of involvement on some level with thousands of despicable crimes and criminals, my twisted family and my great fortune. You will get to hear about all the women I have done harm to. I will even give you their names and the names of their children. You will watch me do all of this while I obsess on someone here. You will have to know about my twisted deviant youth. You will have to read the sexual innuendo I lace through most of my posts even on Christmas. You will have to put up with me back-peddling on many of my posts when I am called out on their lack of validity their insulting tone or complete contradiction of my previous posts. You will have to believe I have a point to all of this constant bragging other than myself and my disrespectful taunting, and that somewhere in all this insanity I am truly interested in helping in this case. And anyone with the insight to see what I am up to and calls me on it will be someone who is closed minded uncivil causing trouble chasing their own agenda and afraid of the truth.
This is my production and I am the star and I will not give anyone anything until I am ready for my show to be over. But of course that will never happen because I am enjoying all of this attention”
He has on many occasions as much as said this but his “Fireworks Finale” is as clear as he has ever put it.
I think he realized it and that’s what the PIG meltdown thing was about.
And anyone wonders why people here are sick of this? If he has information and a real interest in anything other than himself, then it is beyond time for him to show it. I don’t mean all of the unsubstantiated claims. I mean real information.
If being sick of this game (and not a very good game) is the sign of a collectively closed mind, then so be it. It is time for him to put-up or shut-up but I think it might just be time for him to go on off to the jitter-joint for awhile.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 18, 2012 21:21:56 GMT -5
Helen, all I can say is that regardless of people's opinions of you or John being the suspect, you are still the only game in town. You have a remarkable collection of archives not only on your site but also in the videos. Thanks for keeping the children's memories alive! Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 19, 2012 1:15:43 GMT -5
Yes,If you would like to make comment on the Above children s tread-please do it in Occk feedback-Thanks~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 22, 2012 2:40:07 GMT -5
Dave ,the photo you sent of John McKinney-does look just like the #2 Sketch-However that is not what John McKinney looked like in 1976-77-the photo you sent was from 1964-sorry
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 23, 2012 23:18:16 GMT -5
Helen, Do you think 555 is the three digit number John was referring to when he said to you, "that if you know this number" you'll figure out the OCCK? Greg NOTE -I am going to check that out-Thanks
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 26, 2012 14:00:20 GMT -5
Helen,
Do you say there was one more placemat map drawn by John that has not be made available to the public? I believe where Tim King’s body was left? If yes, why is it being held back from the public?
Roger
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 27, 2012 1:52:11 GMT -5
Roger, sorry that took so long for me to find the map info for you-I'm busy with some other research on the Occk-and it is taking -much more time than I thought it would. I showed maps 1 thru 4 – Jill’s, Mark’s and Kristine’s drop-offs plus all sorts of other landmarks. Basically all of Oakland County. However, I did not show the drop-off for Tim . There is a 5th map with Livonia and Gill Road and possibly Northville Hospital, the Ardmore, etc. (northwest Wayne County)? Also the map of Jills where her bike is against the tree-that the boys picked up and moved-has not been shown nor has a map of Jills with circles of I-75 drawn on it--Yes,I have a reason for not posting those yet-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 30, 2012 2:52:18 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Another thing I've wondered about: is anything known about the Christian Temple Association, the nondenominationl ministry with its "world headquarters" in Pontiac, from which McKinney puported received his ordination? I've tried poking around online, and can find no mention of such a place in Michigan. You'd think its primary headquarters would have left some sort of trace. XXX Note -I will get back to you on this-as I did get in some new Info on this group-I haven't had time to read it-
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