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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 5, 2011 12:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 5, 2011 20:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 10, 2011 11:37:26 GMT -5
Questions about John-also answers-Yes John admired Ted Bundy...and he followed his activities..read all the books written about him...and did make a few comments about him...but then John had a great many books on other Serial killers...You asked about John's personality...you know...as I recall...he didn't realy have one...he was soft spoken...moody...had a dark side...much of the time he was in some type of trance..usally brought on by the snow falling..You asked about John and my relationship...boy that is a tough one...It changes often...one day I hate him for the monster..he must be...the nexts day..I just don't understand how this happen...what does he share with me...well we just keep going over the same things...he always answers my questions...but not always how I hope he will...actually it is very normal conversation...as for actual threats John has made toward me...was only If I put his name in a book ...he would sue me..
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 10, 2011 11:43:11 GMT -5
John had a collection of books about latent prints..how to pass a polygraph-how to change your identity,with out leaving a paper trail--and many books on forensics...and how would he know Jill's book was inscribed? -John had motive-means and opportunity-In checking a peretual calander,he was off work or unemployed on the dates of every pick up,murders,and drop off--How could he have a passport that showed he was out of the country on the date of one childs death?..because he had two of them-i saw them..and he told me one was fake-and then there were the letters,were he ordered the passport-and was going to go into the 2nd passport business. Then there is his alibi..his brother?I think they should ask ,the brother if he will take a polygraph ...or what about the sister,that called John before he went for the poly-and said-get out of there...before they find out the family secret...maybe she would take one too...about her knowledge of these events...or what about his mom--who told me she babysitted for John in the 70's...John had NO children at that time.. {Note} John did not show up with a passport for his first Interview with the cops...It wasn't untill his 90's Interview,
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 10, 2011 11:50:00 GMT -5
The four known victims of the notorious Oakland County Child Killer ("OCCK") spent a combined total of 32 terror-filled days being held captive before being murdered and left on roadsides in 1976 and 1977. Two of the children were raped and one had her face blown off with a shotgun. The cases remain open to this day. Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale, was abducted in February, 1976. His body was found in a Southfield parking lot on February 19, 1976. Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak, was abducted on December 23, 1976 and her body left on the shoulder of I-75 in Troy, in the early morning hours of December 26, 1976. Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley was abducted in January, 1977. Her body was found near a secluded road in Franklin Village 18 days later. Tim King, 11, of Birmingham, was abducted on March 16, 1977 and his body left in a roadside ditch in Livonia six days later. The boys' bodies showed evidence of having been bound.
The families of the victims of the OCCK continue to wait for answers to the question of who killed their children in 1976 and 1977. The delay is ostensibly due to evidence analysis still being performed by the Michigan State Police ("MSP") forensic laboratories.
In February 2005 the MSP announced that their scientists were meticulously combing over every piece of evidence in these cases using state-of-the-art technology not previously available. In late August 2007 the MSP announced the re-analysis turned up new genetic material. In late October 2008 the state crime lab examined a Bloomfield Township home thought to have been a site where one or more of the four children were held captive before being murdered. Additional evidence was allegedly recently procured from articles of the children's clothing - after the August 2007 announcement - and is still being evaluated at the state lab.
Although the MSP and other law enforcement agencies have openly discussed the names of promising suspects over the years, they remain close-mouthed about longdead suspect, Christopher Busch. Busch committed suicide on November 20, 1978.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 17, 2011 1:43:07 GMT -5
John always felt he left a lot of clues...and they were never notice.Yes I belive John was molested first at BROTHER RICE school when he attended there...and also by two family members...at differant times in his young life--John's father did not take an active part in his life while he was growing -up...however his dad said he thought he did...and related to me...that he use to take all his children out to play in the snow...and John seem to enjoy it..You asked if John's family was aware through the years of his deeds....I think a couple of them were...and many of them with on hand Info-I do not belive that John was ever a Pedophile...but there is some question about a brother of his--Johns mother never remarried...John...just snatched and grabbed...two of the children...and two he offered rides to...all others,were snatch and grab-after they would not accept a ride...well I guess that takes care of your question-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 18, 2011 1:52:26 GMT -5
He concluded that John was in fact out of the country. His sister still has all the post cards from over seas that John sent her during the time of the killings. Email: krundel@twmi.rr.com NOTE: Lol...John used a Stamp company service,all you did was put your total of Items into a big mailing envelope then send your items to them and enclose the amount of money equal to 3 times the postage plus one dollar and you could have your mail post marked from anywhere in the world,and mailed to anyone you had addressed your mail to, and they would receive it and they would be none the wiser-he did that often...soooo much for the postcards from overseas theory,lol G,Didn't any of you read THE PAPER TRAIL?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 20, 2011 18:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 19:02:08 GMT -5
Helen,I do remember that the car was dark in color and that is why I said either blue or black. As for it being a hatchback, you could see in the back of the car. If you remember your cars of that time, it could have been a Pacer. Those cars were all windows. Don't get me wrong, I love cars but the only make of a car I could pick out yards away when I was a kid were Mustangs and that is because my uncle owned one and I loved that car!!! There was a basketball and skateboard in the back. This person could easily have been someone that liked to play sports and was not the occk. But because of what was happening at the time, and us being young kids, we just natually assumed that it was the killer. The part that still give me the chills is I can honestly say, we had no idea where the guy came from. I wish I had old pictures of the school so I could show you why it would have been impossible for this guy to walk from somewhere and get in the car without us seeing it and we never heard the car door close, we just heard it start. Was this the killer? Maybe and then again maybe not? Jim
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 0:05:50 GMT -5
Um...am i missing something here? If they KNOW who did it, why no arrest. I tell ya, if I was her boyfriend, I sure would be suing for slander. I'm assuming what he meant was he's a suspect, but they could never prove it. Can't he remembenr the different girl's names when talking to you, or did he get the casese mixed up back then. Good grief. ----- Original Message ----- Theodore T.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 22, 2011 19:39:37 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 23, 2011 17:28:31 GMT -5
"What disturbs the 23-year State Police member [State Police Lt. Robert Robertson, who headed the OCCK Task Force] most is the . . . conviction that someone could help identify the [killer]. 'Either somebody has absolute, direct knowledge or at least suspicions that a friend or relative is the killer, and has not come forward with it,' Robertson said. 'If the right person would call us, hopefully he'd be caught before the day is out.'" The Detroit News, Monday, December 11, 1978, as the initial task force disbanded. No one ever came forward.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 25, 2011 0:15:56 GMT -5
Helen- I just sent this to Don. Not many details - I'm leaving the ball in his court. J. Dear Commander Studt, Recently I had the occassion to inform Cathy King Broad of events that occurred the afternoon of March 16, 1977 - the afternoon her brother Tim was abducted. My brother -in-law was with Tim King at Hunter Maple for a time that afternoon and my mother-in-law , Polly Coltman, also had an uncomfortable set of events that day both at Hunter Maple and at her house - Xxxx Madison. She reported it to the police, but by that time (although they tok her account) they were searching for a blue Gremlin Several days later, but before Tim's body was discovered, odd phone calls came to their house - a man looking to talk about Tim King. Their phone was tapped for 3 days (I believe) with no further calls. I was a classmate of Chris King, my husband of Cathy. I did not happen into the story after I was married. I lived it too. I contacted Det.'s Robertson and Gray last November with my story and was dismissed. I shared that email with Cathy, who agreed, it was VERY dismissive and she suggested to contact you. There is a lot to this story I can tell you - would like to tell you. Please feel free to email me or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxxx Thank you, Judi Newtson Coltman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 27, 2011 10:07:41 GMT -5
Helen,These are the distance from John's house-Mark~ Distance from taken-9 mile Rd-Ferndale-11 miles,22min,-Ferndale Police*~Distance to drop-10 mile & Greenfield Rd-8.4 miles,15min.~Southfield Police*
Jill:~
Distance from where taken: 13 Mile at Woodward: 5.1 miles, 10 mins, Royal Oak Police*
Distance to drop: On I -75: About 5 miles 10 min, Troy Police*
Kristine:~
Distance from where taken: 12 mile and Greenfield Rd: 6.2 miles, 13 mins, Berkley Police*
Distance to drop: Bruce Lane, 13 mile and Telegraph Rd: 3 miles, 6 mins, Franklin Police*
Tim:~
Distance from where taken: 15 Mile at Woodward: 2.6 miles, 5 mins, Birmingham Police*
Distance to drop: 8 mile Rd at Farmington: 13 miles, 22 mins. Livonia Police, Wayne Co.*
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 29, 2011 0:10:53 GMT -5
How many porn-meisters (even the lowest of the low, child pornorgraphers) do you know that would read the paper, find out what a kid's favorite meal is and then make sure he fed him that before killing him? Hell, half of the porn-addicted fathers out there don't leave their computer long enough to fix their kids their favorite meals any night of the week.
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