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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 23, 2013 1:35:27 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 9:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 9:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 9:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 5:16:55 GMT -5
cloakdagner.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=updates&action=display&thread=223 Feb 15, 1976 Mark Stebbins kidnapped Feb 19, 1976 Mark Stebbins found July 1976 Mary and John M. Hastings, Sr stop living as husband and wife, but continue to live in same house Sept 13, 1976 John M. Hastings, Sr moves out of family house 2nd week of Dec 1976 John M. Hastings swung at wife Mary, hitting her over her face and head Dec 22, 1976 Jill Robinson kidnapped Dec 26, 1976 Jill Robinson found Jan 2, 1977 Kristine Mehilich kidnapped Jan 12, 1977 Mary Hastings files for divorce Jan 17, 1977 Summons issued notifying John M. Hastings, Sr. of divorce proceedings Jan 21, 1977 Kristine Mehilich found Feb 15, 1977 Counter-claim divorce papers filed by John M. Hastings, Sr. denying he ever hit his wife Feb 16, 1977 Hearing on divorce proceedings March 16, 1977 10am Consent Order for temporary relief issued. Court order is issued for both parents to proceed with eviction of adult son, John, from the family home. Court order issued to immediately sell family owed rental house at 200 Tuckahoe at an offset price. March 16, 1977 5pm Timothy King kidnapped 3 miles away March 22, 1977 Timothy King found June 22, 1977 John M. Hastings, Sr transferred to Chicago
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 26, 2013 3:42:22 GMT -5
Ms. Dagner July 3.2008
Approximately 1 year ago, my partner assisted the Georgia Bureau of Investigations, (GBI) with an investigation which led them to the State of Michigan. They requested we assist them and conduct some followup interviews in Michigan. After completing our assist to them, the GBI agent told us if there was ever anything they could do for us in return, they would be more than willing. Immediately I thought to myself of the person you've spoken of all these years who now resides in GA. A formal request, in writing, was then sent to the GBI, asking if they would be willing to contact him and ask for a voluntary sample of his DNA. "Buccal Swab".
GBI agreed to assist us, and on Feb 1, 2008, contact was made with this subject. He voluntarily signed a waiver of Constitutional Rights to a Search Warrant and voluntarily provided two buccal swabs of his DNA. He was very gracious/cooperative and willing to assist Michigan authorities with our case. (The OCCK investigation).
His sample, along with four other individuals we've recently been investigating, were sent to the FBI lab in Quantico VA. for comparison against our past and "new evidence".
On July 2, 2008, I received the results of the FBI's findings (analysis). Their conclusions are as follows: The mtDNA sequences from xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx and xxx are different. Therefore, (the five listed subjects, (names withheld), can be excluded as the source of the evidence xxx and xxx.
Ms Dagner, had this coincidence not occurred with the GBI, we would not have requested the DNA sample be taken from this person, however, with the circumstances involved, and knowing the passion you've exhibited all these years on the OCCK case, I felt out of respect for you and the case, "Why not".
Unfortunately, we didn't get the ever elusive hit we've been looking for all these years, but make no mistake, we "ARE" vigorously working this case.
Respectfully
D/Sgt. Gray and the OCCK Task Force.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2013 4:25:45 GMT -5
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: That is a BIG FAT LIE!
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The Oakland County Task Force-Det. Garry Gray & David Robertson said/{This person was fully investigated by very competent investigators and closed for numerous reasons and documented facts. When we decided to rejuvenate the OCCK investigation several years ago, we did take a second look, and spent a reasonable amount of time combing over this particular suspect's case file and the information contained therein. I also talked to the investigators who actually worked on him. I concur with their findings and the matter remains closed.}/// Helen Says- I can positively say that a thorough Investigation was not done on John-Oh 10 years ago I would have just let it go-but I have Interviewed soooo many people over the last 10 years-that I know this is not true! Let's start at the beginning....I'm not going to quote my extensive Occk files-as all the information is so imbedded into my mind...that I am just going to start...and will see where this takes us-The first LE- I called was the Birmingham PD....That connection was to Det.Don Studt...after a few conversation with him...I started to mail him daily reports on John...then the night that John drew the Maps of the pick up & drop offs of each kid..I called Don...and told him I was sending them down...well with in a few days Don called to say he... and I believe his chief {I can not remember his name & I never ever even have asked anyone to tell me-as he was such and unmemorable person-I didn't need his name} would be up to talk to me & would also be at the Big Boy restaurant when John & I would meet for coffee-sure enough they arrived two days later and I was to meet them at the Holiday Inn in Alpena Michigan...just before noon-at the pool area...when I arrived I just found myself a table and sat down...seemed like I waited for a bit...and then I saw my daughter come out of a room ....where she had been interviewed by them{I had no knowledge that she would be there...{as she left she said..".I had to take off from work-for them to figure out -if your & my head were screwed on tight?"}...To this day she has not told me what they discussed...nor have I asked her. Then Don and his boss introduced them selves...they were all smiles...and had indeed been busy since they hit Alpena-they had already talked to my parole officer...who told them -she just loved me-I was such a great person{I just smiled...because I knew that she had said that-then she told them how I did under cover work-ect. ect....they also talked to a lot of other people about me-the chief of the Alpena police dept.-the Lt. ect. ect....I only mention all of this -so you will see that more investigation was given to me...than to John...so that afternoon we went out for dinner...and did not talk about the case at all...as they were still trying to size me up...I only order Orange Juice...and they found that quite upsetting....then back to their car...we went and pick up the mother of John's child...and the only questions they asked her...was do you think John is interested or in Love with Helen...she answer NO!....and then....Don & his boss had the opportunity...but did not take it...to view some physical evidence...that could possibly of contain the children's Dna....That is when I knew that they really did consider John a suspect...and were going to follow all the rules....We then drop off the mother of Johns child...and they dropped me off to meet up with Beth...and they would go get situated in the restaurant...So Beth & I took are regular booths and waited for John....Who for the first time ever...NEVER SHOWED UP....Then we all left separately and grouped back up a block down at the Gas station.....and they told Beth & I that they were going to see John in the am...so we rode by his apartment..I gave them the lay out...{his light was on}...and I knew what he was doing...He was still reading The book Sheep in Wolf's...a library book that I had just picked up that day...and asked John if he would like to read it first...this is the same day that I lied to John and told him I was going to meet with Mr. King and his daughter at Big Boy that night...and he was welcome to join us...this is also at the time he had a freudian slip...as he walked across his living room..He said" He will recognize me" MORE SOON....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 3:48:17 GMT -5
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU BELIEVE THAT JOHN KILLED THESE CHILDREN OR NOT-SOMEONE DID!...and with the investigation that they know plan,after there latest News Blitz....These Children will die again in Police files...How can I be so sure of that?..Well tell me if you think the clues will get any better than this...these came in after their 2003 News Blitz..and to this day..not one of the people were contacted??When the 2003 News Story came out...I was contacted by-DET.George Hartly,Ferndale,MI....Oh he sounded so Interested...that I thought...this is some real hope...he asked me if i thought John would confess-I told him...he would have to ask him...then I gave him the new leads that had come in...and told him..these were really important...as they had matched the Info John had given me...well my hope in this Det.,dispelled,after I found out he had not contacted any of these witnesses...and they also had made repeated attempts to contact him.One witness,could put John,2 min. away from Tims drop off ,on the very night he was dumped & had a discription of the Vehicle...and a partial License No.-The Second Witness-was walking the same night -in the same neighborhood...as Tim King-when a man tried to abduct him...and he recognized the man-as someone who had painted a house for his grand father...Witness 3--saw a man take a bike out of his hatchback vehicle and place it on the street...and drive away...and the man was looking all around...like he was trying to see if anyone was looking...Well no one has contacted these people...SOooo how will this Info-get Into the Files?--I continually emailed Det. Hartly...even after his many excuses...finally,he sent me and email -saying simply-I'm SORRY....Then i sent him and email...telling him...what i thought of his Interest In The Oakland county child Killings...and i will look for that letter..so you will know what to tell a LE...If they ever get around to contacting-any of you.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2013 3:21:09 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 3, 2013 6:34:28 GMT -5
"We don't know if it was one killer or two, operating in tandem, or not," Cooper said recently in a wide-ranging interview about newly released documents obtained by the Free Press under the Freedom of Information Act. "We just don't know. It will be science that will solve these cases."
The documents reveal new details but also show that several other assumed facts of the cases aren't as they were reported by investigators, the news media and family members for more than three decades.
The unsealed documents debunk widely held beliefs, such as a blue Gremlin being involved and all the children's bodies being cleaned with Phisohex before they were dumped.
Between February 1976 and March 1977, four children between the ages of 10 and 12 were abducted and murdered. The cases never were solved and went dormant for years before a police task force was formed to re-investigate.
In July, Cooper -- flanked by the task force -- announced new DNA findings that link a long overlooked hair found on victim Timothy King, 11, with a hair found on victim Mark Stebbins, 12. It was the first connection between the deaths of the two boys.
No such links have been found to victims Jill Robinson, 12, or Kristine Mihelich, 10.
A leading national expert on pedophiles who murder also questioned the connection of the four cases, saying it wouldn't be typical for a killer to target both boys and girls at that age.
Kenneth Lanning, a retired special agent with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, has profiled thousands of pedophiles during his 30-year career. He said pedophiles who harm small children often don't have a gender preference, but once children reach puberty, pedophiles typically target one gender.
Neither of the girls showed signs of sexual abuse, unlike the boys.
"These kids are right on the cusp of puberty, so it could call into question whether (the cases) are all related," Lanning said. "You don't want to rule out that someone was motivated by news of one or more of the killings to commit their own."
Lanning said it's highly unlikely that the children were abducted by a cult, as an anonymous source calling himself Bob has been insisting in calls to reporters and law enforcement officials and at a news conference he held over speaker phone Tuesday. Bob's theories have included Wiccans, lunar calendars and, in his latest news conference, a theory that American Legion Halls across the country are involved.
"In 30 years, I've never seen a cult involved in the abduction of children," said Lanning, who retired in 2000 and lectures law enforcement agencies on how to investigate such crimes. "Those sorts of stories circulated in the 1980s, but when investigated, they just weren't true."
Lanning said the Oakland County Child Killer cases are extraordinarily rare because the children were kept for days.
"Ninety-nine percent of abductions are very short, a few minutes, an hour," he said. "In these cases, the person or persons may have harbored some notion that they could create a life of fantasy with the child, but then, as the days went on, it became too difficult or apparent that it was not going to be the fantasy they hoped, and they had to find a way to dispose of the child."
The killings have long fascinated and horrified, spawning national websites, a book and dozens of theories.
The documents released by court order show several details that became accepted as fact aren't true:
• It was widely reported by news media and police that when Timothy King, 11, disappeared in March 1977, he was last seen talking to a man in a blue Gremlin behind a Chatham's supermarket on Maple Road in Birmingham. Police immediately believed the Gremlin was driven by the killer.
But Timothy's brother, Christopher, saw the Gremlin still parked while the family was looking for Timothy in the first few hours after he disappeared, according to his statement. Timothy's body was found four days later. He had been smothered and sexually assaulted.
Christopher King, now 51, told the Free Press earlier this year that he believes the police ignored him because he was a child.
Investigators also are questioning whether Timothy may have been abducted from his home. Police reports show that the night he disappeared, his parents returned from dinner to find the front door of the family home open 18 inches. Their son was gone.
"At this point, we don't know where he was taken from," said Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Paul Walton, who is working with the task force.
• Police and the news media reported the killer or killers meticulously cleaned the bodies, leading some to dub the killer "The Baby-sitter." Posts on current websites still report that. The children were said to have been cleaned with Phisohex, a soap that was banned in the early 1970s because it contained carcinogens.
But autopsies show only Timothy was carefully cleaned, down to his fingernails. And there was no evidence of a particular brand of soap.
• Police zeroed in on Christopher Busch, a convicted pedophile who reportedly killed himself in his parents' home in 1978. At the suicide scene, investigators found ropes in Busch's bedroom closet. Over the years, the ropes were referred to by investigators as "bloody ligatures" and were considered likely evidence that Busch tied up Timothy -- and possibly the other children -- before killing them. In April, the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office tracked down the forensic laboratory scientist who examined the ropes at the time of Busch's suicide.
"There was no blood, fibers, hairs or any other evidence on the ropes," David Metzger said in his a sworn affidavit.
Metzger, who retired from the Michigan State Police in 1981, continued: "The cases under investigation by the Oakland County Child Killer Task Force were very much on my mind at the time I examined the ropes. ... Had the presence of any blood been identified on the ropes, further testing would have been conducted and documented in an attempt to gather more evidence, such as the 'typing' of the blood observed on the ropes or making comparisons of the known blood samples preserved from the victims. There was no further testing made on the ropes."
Last year, Cooper asked county commissioners to convene a grand jury to investigate several unsolved homicides, including the Oakland County Child Killer case. No charges resulted in the child killer case.
Contact L.L. Brasier: 248-858-2262 or lbrasier@freepress.com
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2013 4:59:26 GMT -5
Helen,So I have been doing a little more research on Northville. Turns out the tunnels underneath would attract kids from all over the area. Another interesting thing I found is that the Hawthorn Center, which was a modern treatment center for emotionally disturbed children, was located on the same grounds as Northville. Two other notes - no idea if they mean anything. 1) There was a Kim Olson, later changed his name to Zim Olson, who was in and out of mental institutions. After being released from Ypsilanti State Hospital he lived with his parents in Bloomfield Hills from 1976 - 1979 and worked in odd jobs around town. He was questioned by the FBI over letters he wrote while at UofM in Ann Arbor in the early 70's. He was highly medicated at the time and per his written "story of his life" didn't remember what he wrote. Kim was strange and very into math...something that would have probably attracted John. I took this quote below from Zim's writings: "The clinic got me some assistance but I refused to take pills because of my awful experience with stelazine in the summer of 1974. At this time bothersome thoughts would start to come to me. Many about sexual perversions, which would remain in my mind. But I couldn't seem to control the thoughts and I would contort my face and other gestures trying to get rid of them."
Kim's (aka Zim) Father had worked for Ford and Chrysler and for a time they had lived in Mexico. And finally, a 1967 news article talks about Northville Hospital. Gordon Yadashkin, the superintendent, stated the X Ray machines were leaking dangerous levels of radiation, and the dish washer was not able to get the dishes clean. There was no money for repairs in the budget. I'm not sure if this should be posted just yet... there isn't anything connecting Olson to John or Chris Busch, except for maybe the mental health issues and the fact he was in Bloomfield Hills. I just wanted to bring it to your attention in case anything triggered a memory of something John may have said. Sarah
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 6, 2013 16:52:05 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 10, 2013 10:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 13, 2013 0:42:42 GMT -5
If you would please email us everything you know about this building, we would appreciate it Bingotank@aol.com If you know the Janitorial and or Security Team members, that were working the Month of March 1977-send me and email and I will call you~ Thanks, Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 17, 2013 2:42:55 GMT -5
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