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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 28, 2012 11:45:08 GMT -5
> Subject: OCCK; Gender of victims > > Last week a Free Press article referred to a position of Jessica Cooper that the four victims identified over the 35 year search for their killers may not have a common killer because 2 of the victims were boys and 2 were girls. A study of the Michigan State Police records indicates that Christopher Busch had two pair of girl panties in his possession when he was arrested in January, 1977. Since he had been convicted four times on pedophile activities with boys we can assume that his sexual activity involved both sexes. > > > > This August I told one of the lead investigators of the panty discovery. This was new information for the investigator. > > > > After the Busch photograph was made public 4 adults called in to the King family to advise that Busch attempted to lure them into his car during the time the OCCK was active. Three of them were ladies. How many more calls were made to the OCCK task force? > > > > While the recent attempts by Jessica Cooper to challenge all evidence and theories in the OCCK case may have some valid basis, this gender assumption is not valid as it applies to the Busch lead. > > *** NOTE-Be sure to catch My Up coming Story on the Oakland County Child Killer-After The Election-There was only one Killer-and It had nothing to do with sex-IMO
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 1:20:04 GMT -5
Helen, Is this going to be like the Bloody Garrot story on ID? "The Oakland County Child Killer Case To Be Subject of New Documentary Film Film to dispel misinformation surrounding murders and looks at new evidence in 35 year old cold case." Don Note-Don I don't have a clue, when something like this comes up,I always think it is a good thing,no matter what it contains. It keeps the memory of the Occk victims out there,so isn't that a good thing ?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 1:22:21 GMT -5
Helen, all this so called new information that has been published lately is everything you have been telling us for years and years. Sue Note-Ya Think!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 1:26:53 GMT -5
Helen, This information is not evidence,people should not be calling the Kings with it. " After the Busch photograph was made public 4 adults called in to the King family to advise that Busch attempted to lure them into his car during the time the OCCK was active. Three of them were ladies. How many more calls were made to the OCCK task force?" Rob * Note-Well as long as the people called the cops after,they talked to the Kings,I don't see anything wrong with that. I how ever do not believe that this will come to anything.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 1:34:35 GMT -5
Helen, So why the black out on the King News Conference ? Jim *Note- There was a lot going on,like the Tigers and election news. Believe it or not-there is only so much space for news,so the Media gives the space to what ever will bring the most readers in,as they have to show their results to advertisers,and the Occk news,just doesn't pull very many readers. Between the 'BOB" story and the Busch Saga,people are just fed up with it.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 1:42:39 GMT -5
Helen, I don't get it,Kris' family wants us to think Bob is the real deal and the Kings want us to think Busch is the guy,and I don't see any proof or evidence on either one of them. Scott *Note, How am I suppose to answer that? I never found anything on the Cults or on Busch and I don't know of anyone who has,no one has ever said anything to me other then all the information points in different directions,However you do know that people Lie to me all the time...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 1:47:34 GMT -5
Helen, what about the retard Les at Topix? He sounds like someone who should be confined. Why would he think anyone would believe his story? He got it all from the Wolf Book. I think he is dangerous. Frank * Frank,this is about all that can be said about Les, " Lol- Lol- Lol"
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 18:00:15 GMT -5
Helen, So what did you hear from BOB, he was suppose to have a meeting today,AL NOTE- Al do you mean this from his news release? "On October 29th at 10:00 AM there is a meeting scheduled that will address much of the misinformation and blatant lies that have been disseminated over the past two years by Jessica Cooper that has done nothing more than prevent these cases from being solved. I will specifically address information that for all intents and purposes either demonstrates Jessica Cooper knows nothing about these cases or she is directly involved in a cover up.
If you were really surprised to hear that the FBI was not actively involved in the Oakland County Four investigations, which we had confirmed over four years ago. Then you may wish to bring a Defibrillator to the meeting on October 29th.
Respectively,Bob *Note~ Nope-I never heard a thing-But then I wasn't Listening.......
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 29, 2012 18:30:49 GMT -5
Helen, What happen ,no one show up and take any photos? I just about lost it when I read this. From BOB on his Oct 16th news conference " First, be advised that on Monday, October 15, 2012 Paul Hughes will email you general locations in the Detroit Metro area, outside the Detroit Metro area, and out of the State of Michigan that will require you to make arrangements with your affiliates and schedule your support staff to obtain photographs or video footage as background for your stories. The locations will be in the proximity of where you may wish to obtain any photographs or video footage. The exact locations relevant to these cases shall be provided to you at the meeting on October 16th." What the hell is he talking about? Who wants to see photos of his locations,where he says there could be 60 body's, maybe the news has finally grown a pr at told Bob,they are waiting for the body's to show up,before they use any more resources on BOB. Jack
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 30, 2012 0:47:04 GMT -5
Helen ,the families are trying to promote Mikael Bishop for prosecutor in Oakland County,I find that interesting,as he will be L Brooks Paterson s inside guy. The very fact that the families have complained in the past about the job that Paterson did on the unsolved child killings and how he let their prime suspect walk on several sex charges,doesn't this seem a little bit hard to believe? Kay-*Note-Yes a lot of people have sent emails saying the same thing,
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 30, 2012 4:05:41 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 30, 2012 18:41:51 GMT -5
Dave, I do not think Marks brother is part of the 100 million Dollar Suit,more like he has said by showing up at the news conference -that he supports the cases being turned over to the Dept of Justice--Here is a news clip from that meeting~~~*"A Michigan lawyer is fighting back against a legal ethics complaint made by a county prosecutor's office concerning what it contends is a frivolous federal district court lawsuit.
Paul Hughes said at a Wednesday news conference that he is outraged to be subjected to an ethics complaint over the suit, which he filed earlier this year on behalf of a mom seeking answers in a decades-old child-murder case, the Detroit Free Press reports.
He also promised to file a legal ethics complaint himself concerning a prosecutor's claimed comment that he specializes in dog-bite cases.
“Never, in 25 years of being a trial attorney, have I had a grievance filed against me by attorneys in a lawsuit,†Hughes said at the news conference today.
At his side were his client, Deborah Jarvis, and the brother of another murdered child, who said he, too, supports the goal of the lawsuit—to get the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office and a Michigan State Police task force to turn the 36-year-old case over to the U.S. Department of Justice for a fresh look. It involves four children murdered during a 13-month period in the 1970s.
Citing Michigan Attorney Grievance Commission confidentiality rules, Paul Walton, who serves as chief assistant Oakland County prosecutor, declined the newspaper's request for comment about the disciplinary complaint he made last month.
The prosecutor's office has filed a motion to dismiss the federal district court suit that Hughes filed, but apparently no ruling has yet been made on that motion. A hearing is scheduled next month on Hughes' request that the case be turned over the the DOJ."
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 31, 2012 0:27:13 GMT -5
If Chris Busch Was Alive Today Would He Be The Prime Suspect? No, There's a problem: They Wouldn't have enough evidence to arrest him. In fact, they don't have any Evidence ~ This Is Under Construction ~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 31, 2012 0:41:19 GMT -5
We have heard this all since 2009- We were told-They have PLENTY on Busch and are waiting for lab results on fibers (state lab is comparing fibers from kids' clothing to fibers obtained when they vacuumed out the duct-work at Busch's parents' house. Also waiting for lab results from the FBI--supposedly any day now--comparing dog hairs found on some of the kids with dog hair found in the duct work. WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT NONE OF THIS POINTED TO CHRIS BUSCH * Then We Were Told-They in fact reran that hair found on Kristine some time ago and they got a hit with a convict (not in the can for molestation but some robbery stuff). This guy was 14 or 15 at the time of these crimes and lived in Flint next door to one of Busch's brother's house. This kid was friends with the two Busch kids (that Chris Busch was the uncle of). This convict hung out with Busch and was a molestation victim. He admitted to being a victim of Chris Busch and going from Flint to Bloomfield Village to stay at Busch's parent's house* NO One can prove that Gunnel Stayed at Busch's Home*Next we were told that Gunnel was having memory problems about how his hair wound up on Kristine's stomach._ Gunnel has stated and I and Others Believe him That He Was Never Around Kris-Nor Did He Ever See any activity of Chris Harming anyone-How ever the King Family Twisted this to read- "Wanted to say that the hair must have been in Busch's car and transferred to Kristine when her body was placed in the car. May have actually been forced by Busch to help with dumping Kristine's body to keep him quiet. He puts her over his shoulder to carry her and that's how his hair winds up on her stomach area." This was ALL CONJECTURE- Continue on next post~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 31, 2012 0:54:35 GMT -5
I was told all of this in 2009-Circumstantial evidence includes : At Busch's suicide scene they found a drawing of a young boy screaming. At the time it was believed (and since verified as they have the drawing) that it resembled Mark Stebbins( THIS IS TRUE AND THE PHOTO DOES LOOK LIKE MARK-HOWEVER IT IS NOT CLEAR WHO PUT THE PHOTO ON THE WALL-OR WHO DREW IT.)_ NEXT- Busch had laid out some bloody ligatures on the floor in that room. Those ligatures were sent to the FBI and never seen or heard about again~ THERE WERE NO BLOODY LIGATURES- THESE WERE BOAT ROPES- THEY HAD NO BLOOD-NO HAIR AND NO DNA ON- Busch had been polygraphed by the MSP in Flint after Kristine's murder. He "passed." Then we were told that Experts have since reviewed the polygraph chart (without knowing the case) and opined that he absolutely should have failed. YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD WHOS CHART IT WAS,SO MORE SPIN-THEN IT WAS TOLD - what happened is that the Bloomfield Township PD shows up at the suicide scene, contacts the task force when they see that weird nuts in his room, the task force looks at Busch's file and says OH F-U-C-K! we gave that guy a pass and he went out and killed another kid. Xxxx spoke to the retired detective who was investigating Busch. He said for sure they thought they had the guy and were floored when he passed. Then The Story Goes- Subsequent investigation was not done because he had been cleared by the MSP. -TRUST ME BEFORE THE MSP CLEARS ANYONE-THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH IT ALL-NEXT-THE STORY OF - A convict in the Michigan prison system tried to contact the Flint detective again a few years after Tim's murder saying he had information on Busch and his involvement in the OCCK crimes. He could not get approval to go interview the guy b/c--you guessed it--he had been cleared by the MSP._ALL HEARSAY-NOT ANY PROOF OF ANYTHING ON BUSCH- Continued in next post
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