Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 17, 2013 14:30:35 GMT -5
Hi Reasoning-I do not think that any of those locations appear on any of Busch' arrest Warrants as they were out of the area-I would like to look this up for you-but No time today-but I feel pretty confidant-that I would remember that-because of Johns connections to all those areas- as for who told Mr. King that-I think maybe the Cop who told him Busch' was the Occk most likely did -or maybe even the Prosecutor Kim Worthy -who drove all the way up to Lake Essa-with her Hot Investigator and the news guy -with out calling the county clerk up there first to see if the cabin was still there-and of course it wasn't,but then she also named Ted as the Occk,and he wasn't-who knows- I think if the truth were known it was most likely that Livonia Cop who started all this crap,then went to work for the Wayne County Prosecutors office-But who cares-they were wrong... Helen
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 17, 2013 22:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 2:31:53 GMT -5
Ron,O-Pulease! This Isn't Brain Surgery!
I for the life of it can not understand..why anyone would think that the drawing on the wall of Busch's home would give any credibility of fact...that he was the Oakland County Child Killer...Obviosly you do not know that there were hundreds of rolls of film taken by Busch of boys...and not one photo of any victim of the OCCK ever surface...now if he wanted anyone to think he was the chid killer after he killed himself...would't you think he would of laid out his hidden stash of photos..of the victims---ALONG WITH THOSE LIGATURES....that had NO DNA on from the children...Give me a break!
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 2:49:00 GMT -5
Matt~ There was no hanky-panky when that Stebbins suit was filed -that is how things are done behind the scenes -Here is how that went down* (-Apparently Det. Gray and some FBI guy met with Mr. King to pitch this to him . They expressed frustration over the refusal by Ted or his "associates" to talk and suggested this route as a way to compel them to talk. Mr. King later told Gray he would not make any decisions until after he returned from a trip. Cory Williams was not involved in these discussions and apparently was out of the taskforce loop . I don't think Roberston was involved in the discussion(s) either. Gray and FBI man then apparently spoke at length a week or so later with Mike Stebbins to see if he was interested in filing a civil suit. Then Mr. King was told his partner would be filing a suit on behalf of Mark's estate in a week or so.
. None of this was Mike Stebbin's fault; he was just trying to be helpful and had been talked into this thing....
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 12:10:55 GMT -5
Ah The Mystery goes on-So you think The MSP and The Task Force know what is going on with these cases? Well when Prosecutor Kim Worthy named Ted as the Occk- She got permission from the Oakland County Task Force Head to make that announcement,they told her it was fine with them if she announced it...so isn't that like an endorsement? That they agreed?
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 12:34:38 GMT -5
Helen, Why does that matter? Don NOTE:Oh it matters Don,it made Prosecutor Kim Worthy look like a dumb A$$ and shouldn't that be shared with the MSP and the Task Force ? There was absolutely no proof that he was-because he failed a poly because he was so scared to have been accused? Now the MSP can not have the interpretation of their polygraphs both ways-they need to make up their mind which way their gate is swinging-then they come to us and say after 30+ years that when Chris Busch passed his Polygraphs,he really failed...it was mis read??? Oh Pulease! I just pulled up 30 statements on different suspects -each made by the MSP Task Force-telling how even though this suspect or that suspect passed there poly-they were still not cleared -"because after all it is just a tool" and is not proof of someones innocence or guilty-keep in mind that most of these guys have been dead for a long -long time and there is absolutely no other evidence of their guilt ..only speculation-so with that said-their passed poly should have cleared them-good god how many suspects do they still have on there books? I bet enough to cover their own butts!
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 13:14:24 GMT -5
Helen, Do you think John will ever confess to the police,I mean he is in bad health and all of that. Ken NOTE: You know Ken,years ago I would have said yes,but now I'm going to say NO, and the reason is,he has hid all the real evidence that connects him to these cases,and he must of done a good job hiding it as he has had several searches and nada -but back when he was in Alpena,and I sent him a 25 page letter asking him to confess to the Birmingham police when they took him for his poly,I had addressed all his concerns in that letter-I told him I would Make sure his daughter was with people he could trust and I would make sure he had money in his account and that Rick and I would visit him regularly and he would not be forgotten or discarded-I was sure when I arrived up to Scotts Homeless shelter a week after he received the letter and saw it still in his room,that he must be thinking about it ...but the closer it got to his poly,our relationship went down hill-quite quickly-then I knew he had no intention of confessing,and then when the phone call came in from his sister that I eavesdropped on -I was certain,he was just going to take off-and now his daughter is all grown up and on her own-so really there are no bargaining tools. Unless of course he thinks in terms of wanting everyone to know he did this-who knows -and there will be no help from his family in making this decision as you can not even get them to answer a question truthfully ...and then there is the fact -that no matter how many times he is Interviewed -the Investigators do not ask the right questions -using the right tone...after all they don't want to offend John!
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 23:03:42 GMT -5
Helen,It's also hard to believe, even with the evidence you touched, that there couldn't be any other evidence they could have used. And don't beat yourself up about what you did touch. Just think of all the trained professionals who totally botched Busch's suicide investigation. There's barely a police report, almost no real details, and botched evidence. It all goes together, seemingly botched evidence collecting all the way along in these cases. I mean, really, who was the genius at the police dept, that supposedly stripped little Mark of all his clothes before the medical examiner got there? Ron
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 23:09:05 GMT -5
It blows my mind that a tiny city like Ferndale, all of 3.9 square miles, could have three homicides committed by three separate serial killers in a 10 year period. First Mark - still unsolved, then Helen Dutcher - compliments of Carl Eugene Watts, and then Kenny Meyer, who was killed by Ronald Lloyd Bailey. Plus, there was another attempted murder and abduction of another 12 year old boy in 1979, but the boy got away and the cops caught the suspect. I think that suspect was later cleared by the task force.Sue
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 23:21:49 GMT -5
Helen, When did the Busch family moved in by John? Dave *Note: in January 1970. There Prior address was 2860 Clark, Detroit. Sold that house in July 1979. The parents continued to live in Birmingham area until 2002--when they moved out east to be near their only living son.
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 18, 2013 23:27:25 GMT -5
Helen, I just don't get how some people still hang on to the Busch theory,no evidence that he was involved, Furthermore-with Chris' heavy alcohol and drug abuse-it is doubtful he would even of had the ability to pull off these highly organized kidnappings,confinements,murders and drop offs while in a community that was on ultra high alert ....and of course....there was one of those "Highly accurate MSP polygraphs-Which he passed with flying colors back in 1977"....also to be considered...is that a lot of Detectives have worked on this case for decades...following the evidence...and it never led-Tobias or Ray Anger or Don Studt or the originial task force...back to Chris Busch Dean
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 19, 2013 7:33:55 GMT -5
Helen you are taking me all wrong, What I meant to tell you, Is I am wondering if he is in Michigan and close by, so I can watch my back. And there is no paranoia or questionable sanity here with me, I trust you Helen , you are just taking some of my comments and questions wrong. Let me just tell you if you think you may be dealing with an incompitant individual, say so , I know whats in my background, it's no mystery or secret I have had issues, but I will let you judge for yourself, Cause on this end, I'm no idiot. If Cathy's father talk's to her about any of this, he would have told her I sincerely showed-up at her father's home about xxxxxxxx ago, as I called him asking if I could come by. trying to tell him for once what I knew, He asked do you mind if A police officer I know is present? and I said no... as I had no concern about that, Studt was there. I just wanted to meet mr King and try and tell him what my ex- has been telling me. to try to help out.XXX
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 19, 2013 8:56:37 GMT -5
I apologize for not having a separate thread for Jill.you will have to stroll down on the present thread in order to read about her case-but It will be a good read for you,as I reveal Information ,that I have NEVER POSTED BEFORE-BUT IT IS TIME!