This video was originally made for my web site many years ago. It was recently compiled, processed and arranged for YouTube. The video was made by Casual Observer who had a mother-in-law that ran into a suspicious man at the Hunter Maple Pharmacy several hours before Tim King was abducted there. Her descriptions match the same descriptions that John told me about a woman she ran into at the same pharmacy. She had a son that was also with Tim King several hours before his abduction. This video documents Tim's abduction location where the Hunter-Maple pharmacy once was and where it all took place. She will walk you through Tim's neighborhood and what it's like today. She will also take you on a drive tour that this man was seen taking after seen at the pharmacy around Poppleton Park and ended up with him stopping in front of her house. He was obviously looking for Tim several hours before he finally found him. She will talk about the 555 building which was something else that John talked about.
In memory of Polly who tried so hard to convey to the police what she witness on that day.
Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 18, 2011 19:49:02 GMT -5
When the OCCK HD Archives project started it was just to document Helen's archives on the OCCK for public viewing on YouTube. As we progressed with it we asked her if anyone else wanted to contribute. As Helen asked around we did get Alpena Witness (AW) to come forward and provide us with his background, contacts in Alpena and information on the Big Boy restaurant and it's layout. This helped as we went to Alpena to investigate and catch some photos for the videos. AW refuses to be interviewed by the news however he did the next best thing, as he wanted something to go on the record. He expressed how bad he feels about hearing this conversation at Big Boy and doing nothing.. Because of all the controversy surrounding Helen and misleading lies passed around on the internet, he felt he should tell the people straight out that really do care what happen and what he experienced. So, he submitted sound files to us. From there we made three video compilations around them with direction from Helen.
Alpena Witness Speaks Witness to Big Boy (1 of 3) AW background, trip to Alpena, Big Boy restaurant layout, placemats with strange conversation in front of him on December 26, 1991.
Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 18, 2011 19:50:41 GMT -5
Alpena Witness Speaks Witness to Big Boy (2 of 3)
Alpena has two Big Boy restaurants, the discussion in front of him and the eeriness, the Troy map that AW could see briefly, 'Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds', AW's wrong conclusions about the discussion and why.
Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 18, 2011 19:52:35 GMT -5
Alpena Witness Speaks Witness to Big Boy (3 of 3)
AW realizes 13 years later what the crazy discussion at Big Boy was really about from a written post from Helen on America's Most Wanted (AMW) website in 2004, AW's rude awakening to Helen & John story and the reality, Big Boy restaurant 'lower level' unknown to many young Alpena residents - exclusive photos of the 'lower level' of the Big Boy restaurant from employee private party from over 30 years ago, AW's several attempts at contacting LE and his own ventures in seeking the truth, AW's correspondence with John's family members on AMW website and an attempt at getting the truth out of them (Note - Thread was closed down by request of Helen Dagner), quest for search of Jill's books last seen in Alpena. Michigan (Please ask book collectors you know!!!!).
Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 12, 2011 0:18:30 GMT -5
Report of interview of
she is the sister of John and lives in Southfield. She told me that about two or three weeks ago she received a call from and she had the impression, based on that telephone call, that needed money. Although the call was very unfocused, she said she kept waiting for to explain the purpose of the call. Near the end of the telephone conversation, told her that there was a social worker on the line, who had been listening to the conversation. This person was later identified as Helen. Helen did not ask many questions of at that time.
Later the same day, Helen called directly. She asked several questions, what characterized as personal questions about family life when were young. got very uneasy feeling, particularly when Helen said that she did not want to know she was calling and she asked to not tell that she had called.
said she tried to get a hold of at the time but was unable to do so. When she wanted to get a hold of she called a person named , who was brother-in-law, to leave a message for and then he would get back to her. She had not spoken with for a number of months. She said that does not want his daughter, who is 6, to live with and her other children because the other children are "trouble makers" as she put it. When she spoke with kept asking her "what did
do with all his money? She kept saying that did not make his child support. Prior to this phone call, had no idea was in Alpena. The last time she saw him was about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago on Easter or Christmas. That's when he was living in Lake Orion.
When Helen called , she said that she was deeply in love with and she wanted to help him. She was concerned for his welfare. That's when she asked a variety of personal questions. She asked about the type of cars was driving, relationship with what the family life was when they were growing up. She also asked to characterize relationship with his mother. Also unusual about this call was that Helen would not give address, nor phone number. She said to that she would write it down and send it to her. She never did that. is also unable to get a hold of .
also said that on the day that I called her mother (that being yesterday), she received a call from a woman asking questions about . She's not sure if this was Helen or not, but she said that the woman said that put husband's name down in a job application as a reference. She was asking some questions about him. She thought the coincidence of that very unusual, because she has not received any inquiries by at all prior to this. She then called brother-in-law, and left a message for to call her back, which he did. She told him of all these inquiries. Subsequent to that, he called me.
Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 16, 2011 12:18:20 GMT -5
said that her parents, she thinks, were divorced in 1977 and that was living with his mother in 1976 ans 1977. She believes her brother was living there and moved out in 1977 or 78 to go to Arizona. She said the divorce did have a traumatic affect on the family. However, she said that the family had many problems prior to that time. She characterized it as a family where everyone pretty much kept to themselves. She said that her father use to beat up her mother and went on to say that her mother was mentally ill, and at some point everybody hit their mother in that house. she said that did not have a close relationship with his mother and she thought, to this day, he still hated her. She said the sibling in the family do not keep in touch with each other. Once they left home, they left and did not go back. They very infrequently talked with each other or with their mother.
She said that her father had a stroke in approximately 1976 and he underwent a lot of changes. She described one incident where he was at her house and he thought he was 20 years old again. She had to take him into another room to look in the mirror that he wasn't 20 but in his 50's. She said the next day he seemed back to normal. However, at that period of time in his life when he left the mother and married another woman, and subsequently moved to Florida.
She said that had worked at General Motors for 10 years. She was not sure when. He was in Europe for a few months. However, she was unable to put a date on that. She believes it was before
Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 16, 2011 23:14:34 GMT -5
the divorce but couldn't say for sure. It may have been after, but she has the impression it was before.
She indicated that told her on the phone, when they talked, that he has his passport and that might document dates he was in Europe. She said he went to Europe alone, worked his way over on a ship and he was gone a couple of months. He had talent as an artist and he went to Europe to draw. He was in Rome, Germany and France. He came back with a lot of drawings and paintings. He drew primarily European architecture. She doesn't know when he came home or how he got home.
Of all the children in the family, probably she and were the closest. She was the oldest and he was the next oldest. They worked at several restaurants together when they were young while in high school and just out of high school. She also worked at Biff's at Maple and Telegraph when did. When was young he really had no friends or discussed his problems. When asked, she said that she did not know if had ever been sexually molested, but she believes he was approached by a homosexual named when he worked at Biff's. The reason she thinks this is because she knew and knew he was a homosexual. She seems to recall that called up the brother and was talking on the phone about explicit things and she things her mother overheard that conversation. She was asked if she thought her brother was a homosexual or bi-sexual. She said probably not. She couldn't say exactly why, but it was just her impression that he was not. When
Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 26, 2011 20:18:00 GMT -5
Helen, since we now know from the FOIA papers that John's oldest sister was the one that called him in Alpena and you over heard her conversation where in she told John to get out of there before you and the mother of his child found out the Family secret,well what have the cops done about that? Has she been polygraph ? It just seems to me that is a statement of great value, because she was already aware that you and S- already had been told about the living conditions at there home and how John was treated by the other family members and that his mom had mental problems ect. So the Family Secret in my opinion,had to do with something other than the normal family deal, as why was it so important that she screamed at him to get out of there NOW!!! As I recall John's answer was, I will go overseas, just like I did before! William Yorke- Note-I wish I had these answers for you,however that family lies so much that it is impossible to sort it all out...at least for me it is.