So CYBER-SLEUTHS~~

[Helen Dagner]

I have just finish reading and listening to all available News Media coverage of the Oakland County Child Murders~and I am absolutely astonished~that from day one back in 1976~the misinformation that was released to the public by the News Media~~I have talked with several reporters~~and they readily admitted~they thought the Cops were feeding them misleading info~but they had to go with it~or have no copy~Ok that was back then~but why do they continue?~~It is not a wonder these cases were never solved!~~So CYBER-SLEUTHS~~If your reading through a lot of material~trying to get a heads up on these cases~you are wasting your time~what is not out & out false~~Is completely inaccurate~

[Helen Dagner]

The Spin Machine of Distorted Lies and Propaganda-**Facts we know:

John spent 9 months talking in depth about the OCCK killings. He gave you info never before published. You saw things ( papers, books and a manicure kit) with interesting or odd subject matter as well as an unusual storage place for the manicure kit.

You had the BPD come down and investigate ( we won't discuss the quality of said investigation) and we know that John was poly'd at that time.
* We know that he was questioned in 77 and 78.then in 91 and 2008-2009-2010 ect.


We know that Chris Busch was the same age as John and was a neighbor of his. We know that he was rich beyond belief and spent a large amount of time in the home while his parents were in Europe and Florida. We know that he was a sexual deviant sicko. We know he committed suicide in the home shortly after the Tim King murder.

We know that Busch sometimes used boys to lure other boys to him. So. . .here goes:

What if Busch was using XxxxX as a lure? He was a pretty boy. It is my opinion that as an adult he is horribly screwed up and, as I have said before, continues to reinvent himself in an effort to escape who he really is. He suffers from a disease that is often associated with long term stress and I think he is gay or Bisexual. So, let's say he was sexually abused by Xxxxx ( or worse in a relationship) and Xxxx found out. What if Xxxxx found out and
a) Blackmailed the Busch Family?
b) Felt that killing the kids would protect his brother from being an accomplice?
c) Was in for the thrill of the kill? To ease his own views of unfairness?


What if Busch was also at the water tower when Anthony Mitchell fell to his death? What if Xxxx pushed that kid and Xxxxx knew and never said anything, just held it over Xxxxx head? What if the trade off was Xxxx? What if Xxxx did the killing because Xxxxxwas holding him psychologically hostage?

What if John did the abducting? With Xxxx? What if Busch held the kids at his house instead of the rental? What if they used both places? What if Busch did the killing and cleaning and John did the dumping? Busch worked in a nursing home and would have a fair knowledge of medical disinfection.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx What if the trace evidence that may exist on the contents can be directly linked to Busch? That would be an absolute connection between John and Chris. I know LE knows you have something, but they don't know exactly what, yes? What if you are in possession of not only the smoking gun, but the possible bullet too?

Since we know they are looking at Busch ( right, that is what Xxxxx said?) - you probably have evidence that would connect the two. There is just no way John made this up. He is up to his eyeballs in this somehow. Also of note, both Mitchell's father and Busch's fathers were huge execs at GM. It is very possible that Chris and Anthony were friends. What if they took him up there for some deviant sexual activity and then dumped him? What if that started their hunger for sex and murder?

I know this is the stuff of fiction, but does art imitate life or vice verse?

Finally, I wonder what the time frame was between Busch's suicide and Xxxx Xxxxxxxx sudden move out west?

Like I said these are just swirling thoughts but they kept me awake ALL NIGHT!

Xxxx Xxxxxx

[Helen Dagner]

Do you even think he will tell me the truth tomorrow?
The thing about Tim's death only--it could simply be that they had the best chance of getting info from this person on Tim's death only, so they work with one case at a time. You know the drill--one at a time. On the other hand, and this is totally weird, but I was thinking earlier today about the possibility that John was involved only with Mark. Jill & Kristine. The completely weird reason I ask is that I was dwelling on what you pointed out on the site--that in the "fictionalized" book, the character of Tim lives. John described Kristine's clothing in a way only the killer could. Tim's case was so publicized, many items were public knowledge. Again, bear with me--this is totally weird. The psychic in The Wolf book specifically mentions that Tim did not "go through as much" as the others. Perhaps he was treated differently because his case is isolated--someone else kidnapped and murdered the other three. Or, perhaps this is because, as the "legend" seems to go, the second person involved in these crimes "found god" and did not participate in Tim's abduction and murder, so he was only tormented by one person instead of two. ALL SPECULATION, but why not think out loud? Furthermore, IF Tim's case was a copy cat, his case follows on the heels of these other cases and it must have seemed too good to be true for whoever nabbed him--an 11-year-old kid clearly out on his own, dark & secluded parking lot, no one around . . . . Although the most respected people on these cases have said since March 22, 1977, that all four cases are related, remember that Tim's body was described as "almost clinically clean." Greater care could have been taken with his body because the killer knew the heat was so close that any error could result in his arrest, or it could have been another person--the other kids were cleaned up, but maybe not "clinically clean." Xxxx Xxxxxx

[Helen Dagner]

Helen, By the way, your post today from someone’s theory couldn’t possibly be true as Busch did not live in Birmingham during 1966 so he couldn’t have been at the water tower when Mitchell died. The common link is that they were both rich kids from GM exec families. Any link between old man Hastings dealings for Zollner Pistons and GM? Perhaps the old man complained about GM??? Just thinking out loud. ******The above email post was in answer to the first theory above from a site reader-