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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 3:35:52 GMT -5
Helen,What do you think is going on at those Grand Juries?Pete - Note-Well Pete,I would hope they are getting all the original evidence marked and accounted for and locking in the witness testimony-so that when and if they ever do get any proof-that they can solve these cases and hopefully Impeach some of the testimony,that we all know isn't true-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 3:50:40 GMT -5
Helen,What do you think will be the out come of the Grand Juries? Mel-Note-I do not expect anything- other than, I do expect Wayne County Prosecutor Kim Worthy to try to indict a ham sandwich,as that can easily be done in Wayne County- but I think she will be up against a wall with Oakland County prosecutor Jessica,as she has stood her ground in these cases,and has not try to create any extra evidence or hearsay witnesses-she has really done her job up to this point...so I guess we all will just have to wait and see-there are so few of us left who really care about these cases-but nothing will shock us-as we have been through it all-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 3:57:24 GMT -5
Will you be able to get your tapes after the Grand Juries are over? Ted-Note-Ted I don't think anyone is ever going to get-anything under the FOIA on these cases again -They are going to really tighten the screw after this-and who knows maybe that is really what the Grand Juries were about...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 4:08:18 GMT -5
Helen,say they just want to close these cases out.How would they do that? Ken-Note- All they have to do is pick one of the dead suspects and say-More likely than not XXxxxx has committed these crimes-and their opinion is-case closed. They do not have to explain their self-This would be followed by many newspaper and TV and radio accounts-and in a couple of months everything will have died down-you won't even hear talk at the work place or near the water cooler...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 4:15:46 GMT -5
Helen,what makes Mr.King and his family think that Busch is the Occk? Fred-Note-I don't know-maybe they saw something in the FOIA reports -that I didn't see-maybe they have been swayed by others,who want them to believe it is Busch-maybe this and maybe that-I just do not have any Idea-and keep in mind-they have a right to -think it is anyone -that they want it to be...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 4:25:09 GMT -5
Helen,Did the Kings ever spend any money on this case? Bob-Note-You know I'm not going to even get into that-I can tell you they did offer to pay for Johns to have another polygraph -How ever the MSP turned him down-and I understand that Wayne County and Oakland County shared the expense of going to GA to interview John and then along time later when the poly was-I have a Document that Gray Says-to GA we will pay all the expenses -and it is on MSP stationary-However I Imagine Wayne got billed for their share-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 4:30:32 GMT -5
Helen, What will you do once the Grand Juries are over? Scott-Note-It won't effect us at all one way or the other-we have always been about keeping the memory of the four child victims alive-so we will continue to do just that-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 4:32:20 GMT -5
That is all the Feedback for now-I'm going to bed-I will try to get more up during the day...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 17:18:20 GMT -5
This is a today post at Topix Forum- by MyBrotherskeeper-who is Cathy Tim's only sister- Helen Dagner wrote: You are witnessing the death of a forum-Amen~
Requiem for the forum:
There is no way that the following three men are not involved/have or had knowledge:
Christopher Brian Busch John Hastings John McKinney
There is no way that James Vincent Gunnels, a victim, is not withholding information.
There is no way that his younger brother does not have relevant information about Christopher Busch.
There is no way that money did not change hands to get that fat f*** Chris Busch get low bail and probation in no fewer than FOUR criminal sexual conduct cases, allowing him to roam the streets and victimize hundreds of children.(Regardless of involvement in child murders.)
There is no way Oakland County police departments and many officers did not know the name and reputation of pedophile son of General Motors big wig, Bloomfield Village resident, H. Lee Busch in the mid to late-1970’s.“We know who he is, ma’am, there’s nothing we can do. Just don’t let your kids go to Pembroke Park alone.”
There is no way task force members Pierce and Davis, who responded to the Busch "suicide" scene don’t know WTF the deal was at the Busch “suicide" scene.
There is no way two of Chris Busch’s nephews don’t know more than they are saying.
There is no way those same two men didn’t throw James Vincent Gunnels under the bus with Chris Busch.(Rot in Hell, boys.)
There is no way these crimes were the “clean,”“diabolical” work of a methodical serial killer. That’s what the task force wanted you to believe—no evidence; too hard to solve; we did our best; get lost. You should see the documents listing the evidence they found on these bodies.
There is no way Oakland County has clean hands in this investigation, or that they will present an accurate picture to their grand jury.
There is no way the OCP will not throw every piece of sh** up on the wall, hoping that nothing sticks. How do you look at yourselves in the mirror?!
There is no way one grand jury can spend adequate time on some 30 unsolved crimes AND one of the most complex, corrupt investigations/crimes in Oakland County history. Nice re-election try.
Amen to all people who came forward and told their story, in spite of the pressure not to speak and to get lost. Especially Helen, who went out on a ledge and never backed off. Amen to those who pried-back the lid on this dark, disgusting chapter of Michigan history. Amen to the very, very few in the system who are still digging into this and who truly represent the victims and are fighting those who are hiding behind these heinous crimes and the cover-up. And Amen to the few people out there are truly voices for the four kids who were kidnapped, kept alive, tortured, terrorized, sexually assaulted and raped, murdered and dumped like garbage. The asses of those who are scared of being exposed have nothing on the victims of these crimes. Cowards.
These crimes cried out for a resolution. It did not happen, and it probably won't. But it is indefensible that the many plausible leads discussed on this thread were NEVER exhausted. And some of us know why. How do any of these people live with themselves?!
There is no way the MSP or the OCP should not feel dirty for their handling of these cases. But they won’t. They had their chance to step away from their predecessors. But, in true disgusting form, they didn’t. Blame the victims. It’s the easiest route.
RIP, Topix OCCK forum, on the JonBenet Ramsey forum. Some good was served. Even freaks are allowed their opinion. The First Amendment is still an amazing thing, even if it takes an incredible effort to wade through the b.s. Perhaps few on this forum had ill intent. But without the internet, we would not have connected and would not have made this information and discussion available around the world. We did what we could. That much I am sure of.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 20:46:14 GMT -5
Mybrotherskeeper
Naperville, I! | #6603 42 min ago It did NOT take 35 years to find dog hairs on the victims. You have not seen the documents provided as a result of the FOIA request. Those animal hairs, as well as fibers, were found on the victims, as well as cat hairs on Tim King. The cops made it seem like there was no trace evidence whatsoever. That's the story they sold so they could sell their story of how it was impossible to solve these crimes because (a) no one came forward to tell what they knew and (b) they had no evidence to work with (bullsh**). They didn't do sh** to isolate these animal hairs until their tit was in the wringer. Yes, they are dog hairs. They had that sh**, which was part of the basis for the search warrant of the Busch home duct work. Like I said, they had plenty of evidence that no one ever heard of--but the 1976/77 documents prove they had it THEN, not that it was manufactured. Dirt, hairs, fibers, blood--even semen evidence in Mark's case, according to the documentation from back in the day. The kids clothing was not cleaned and pressed--it was as if their clothing had been taken from the when they were held captive and then they were redressed after death. It wasn't pristine--it was clean enough that it was clear the kids had not worn the clothing the entire time during their captivity. A lot of urban legends, which benefitted the MSP and backed up their story that the case was impossible to solve. Gee whiz.
And wait until I find the sh** about the drawing of the screaming boy found in Busch's bedroom. Mr. Hastings has some interesting things to say about that in an interview (nice try, buddy), as do Mr. Busch's nephews, who saw that godda** thing hanging on his bedroom wall well BEFORE he supposedly offed himself. Before--as in, not taped up after he was offed in order to frame him. A sick drawing like that taped up on his bedroom wall (we all know why), which was there for his nephews, parents and cleaning lady to see. Apparently only the nephews noticed it (what kid that age wouldn't--and be horrified by it). Everyone else was oblivious.
Again, those dog hairs did not just "appear" in 2009. They were there in 1976 and 1977. And, like many things in the autopsies of those four poor kids, the info was not reported in the media. Cathy
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 22:50:49 GMT -5
Helen, Thank You for Re-posting Cathy's posts. Rita
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 22:53:35 GMT -5
Helen, I never end up on the right page when I go to the Feedback,it always goes to page one,and then I have to go back to the top and try it again.Can you fix this? Jay
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 7, 2011 22:37:45 GMT -5
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