John &~The Paper Trail~

[Helen Dagner]

The following artifact was taken right from John's apartment 20 years ago. It is from his personal collection and it probably still has his finger prints on it. A question for Det. Ray Anger & Don Studt is how well did John follow these guidelines when you cleared him of the passport?

[Helen Dagner]

BLK-01586-Studt-I asked Helen ,assuming that this was true (the story of John being a child killer) What she intended to do. She said that she intended to write a book. that she could write the story of the case because she had done so much research. She could also write Johns autobiography.{ What a sick puppy you are Don-everyone that knows me -the first thing they would tell you-is Helen would never write a book on the Occk-and I have been saying that for years and years and years-and then you come along like you have a big scoop-and say I told you I would write a book-on these cases-LMAO

[Helen Dagner]

1. All four victims were alone when abducted; also, they were
all taken from business areas, in or near parking lots.2. Two victims were abducted on a Sunday afternoon, two on
a Wednesday evening.
3. Victims were held captive, for periods ranging from 3
to 19 days.
4. Victims appeared to have been well fed while held and
not subjected to weather or other exposure.
5. The victims were well cared for during their period of
captivity, including caring for their normal biological
needs. All the bodies were clean, and Tim King's body
was described as Clinically clean (his finger and toe
nails had been scraped).
6. All four victims were dressed in their own clothing
(possibly by someone else) just before or after death.
7. All four bodies were deposited along roadsides where
they would be readily found.
8. There was no evidence of sexual molestation of either
girl; both boys showed obvious anal dilation.
9. Apparently little if any force was used in the abductions;
no commotions were reported in this regard.
On the other hand, there are certain differences that tend to make
the interrelationship of the crimes less positive. For example, Jill Robinson
was killed along the edge of a highway with a shotgun, a noisy and attentiongetting
method, while the other three were smothered, probably by holding a
hand over their mouths and pinching their nostrils shut. Students of the
pathology of sex would probably point to the probable lack of interest in
pre-adolescent girls on the part of a homosexual assailant of young boys.
And, the killeld~ timing was inconsistent; the Stebbins boy was murdered in
February, 1976; the next victim was seized at the end of December, 1976,
followed by one in January and one in March. Also, the victims were kept
for varying lengths of time: 3~, 4, 6, and 19 days. There are other contradictory
aspects as well; the cleanliness of the victims has been seen by
investigators as a largely successful attempt on the part of the killer to
destroy possible evidence--scrapings from under fingernails, dirt from
clothing, or handprints on skin. These procedures, on the other hand, could
have been part of the compulsive cleanliness of a far-from-normal individual.
Perspective takes on special significance when making judgments on such details.

[Helen Dagner]

ARTIST'S SIGNATURE IS IN THE MOUTH OF THE SKETCH!

[Helen Dagner]

Marks Sketch ~

[Helen Dagner]

Wow!! Helen,Great Graphic,That Index one on the front page of John drawing,really says it all!! Sgt.

[Helen Dagner]

Karl, you have to be in good shape to kill people and even if they are children-you have to have an athletic build-John worked out all the time-and he had wrist like my dentist did -Huge...Busch was large - but he was also fat- he couldn't of handle these children...

[Helen Dagner]

The Post Card that the sister has from John - proves he was not out of the country on any of the abduction -or times when the children were held or murder...

[Helen Dagner]

-No Passport this time-He showed up for the interview with some encyclopedia of serial killers, allegedly to demonstrate that he is simply fascinated by these types of crimes and to bolster his premise that he was only discussing this crime with me because of interest, not involvement. (What a piece of work.)

He said I "made up" the map drawing and that he never said what AW overheard that December day in the Big Boy. Let me point out that AW had absolutely no reason to lie, and there are other witnesses who observed the map drawing, etc. It was at this point that John ran out of answers and started doing that weird trance thing- While at other points John never denied saying anything, just said I was making things up, and during the map discussion. He said the witnesses were wrong because he never said that stuff or wrote the maps.

The interview was 2 hours, and became heated at times.


John said he does not keep in contact with his family--hasn't talked to Xxx in ages; rarely talks with Xxxx . When asked why John didn't end up in Florida like some of the rest of his family, he had no response. John is completely strange and bizarre and often did not make eye contact.

John said he never knew any Xxxx Xxxxx; didn't have a friend who committed suicide or know anyone at that time who killed himself. That I was smart enough to do the research on Xxxxx date of death and that the fact that it was on the same day as my husband's suicide was just a coincidence. This is a pretty god-d-a-m-n big coincidence, as is John's proximity to the Dirt-bags house.

[Helen Dagner]

Don Studt -Document - BLK 01600


March 3, 1992

I spoke with Captain Watson of the Sheriff's Department, based on the information and his review of Helen's reports, he has no further plans to follow up on this tip, and does not plan to talk with John at all.

I spoke with U.S. Customs Investigator Bouchard at he Detroit office. He will check his records to ascertain if he has any records of John in or out of the country during the late '70's. However, he believes that he will not have any luck finding anything. He explained that Customs has a check that they run, but only on some random individuals and suspect individuals.

I contacted the Investigative office of the United States Department of Stare in Chicago, Richard Beckman is the investigator I spoke with at 312-886-0305. I asked him for information regarding the passport of John H . He said his data base is computerized back to 1978. His files between 1962 and 1977 are, what he calls, miscellaneous files and he said frankly he never had any luck finding anything out of those files. He will get back with me if he can locate any information.

A teletype was also sent with a request for a query investigation from Interpol in Washington, D.C. The request was to ask they check with the French authorities to determine if that country had a system whereby they kept track of foreign nationals exit and entry into the country.

[Helen Dagner]

How very Interesting that there is not a copy of Johns passport in the Occk permanent files??? Gosh I wonder how that happen-?

[Helen Dagner]

...and why didn't John show Studt two passports? He had two of them.

[Helen Dagner]

BLK01704-Studt Interview with John at Alpena- John said-In 1977 he was told-they questioned every single male....Studt-that's not exactly right.They questioned a hell of a lot of people.But somebody did turn in a tip.That's why they talked to you.Whether they told you that or not,I can tell you that.-John- I don't know who that was.I don't know anything about that.-Studt-You see our interest where you were tipped in 1977 and here it is 1992 and we get another tip on the same person.Maybe there's something to this,and again, If you're working down in this Ren-Cen and you say you've been in Europe for 3 months,people tend to nod their heads and say-yes,thats very possible-Now your up here in Alpena writing a book and your down on your luck.Economically your living hand to mouth and not that...I'll tell you what,here's what strikes me and here's my questions that I've been thinking about since I first heard your name a few weeks ago-Why is a guy who goes to Brother Rice,has a job in an investment firm in the Ren-Cen,prestigious address,maybe a bum office,from what you say,but prestigious address,prestigious schooling,smart guy like you who lived in the Bloomfield Village,seems to me you dropped out. Your up here and you drop out. I'm thinking to myself,Why? Why does someone do that?( To Be Continued)

[Helen Dagner]

Helen, Do the cops have Johns passport or a copy? Scott-Note-I was told no they didn't have it-

[Helen Dagner]

Many of you are waiting for me to post more drawings of John's-I don't know when we will do that-