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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 8:12:29 GMT -5
Posting on this thread will be late today-waiting for documents also we are working on the more important facts of these occk cases-and it is a mess-none of the dates -times -or facts are accurate in the narrative reports=we are trying to sort this all out and having been present at these interviews has not given me and edge-because nothing is recognizable-and I mean Nothing!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 9:26:17 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with former DET. LT. SKIBA-It was brief-I told him I had just reviewed the Narrative report from his interview with Don Studt-and I wanted to go over it with him as I didn't think he would make up these things that were said-but two sentences into it from the report-He panic and said -I'm not interested -do not call back!!--then I knew he really did say all of these things-I know he was shocked that I would have these reports 20 yrs after the fact as his voice was visibly shaken-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 19:05:12 GMT -5
We have documents for this thread-however we are so overwhelmed-will just get them up when we can-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 29, 2011 17:25:09 GMT -5
This Story Is About A Det, LT Who would have done anything to get Inside The Oakland County Child Serial Murder Cases~ But Helen wouldn't let it happen-and Oh he kept trying-Now this is an extremely Religious man so I should probably be submitting this story to Catholic Digest lol....Please keep in mind that Ray never thought I would see these documents-and again 20yrs later- and here we are-and once again- I am force to tell my story-But on this one-I'm going to enjoy it!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 0:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 20:43:41 GMT -5
Really, there is not a clear place to start with this-The Narrative Reports from Don Studt-can only be said to be discus ting-The Character Assassination he did on me in these 20year old reports is beyond anyone's Imagination-I know most cops are very competitive-but the way Don Studt has made these documents out-Is just plain criminal-Dates do not match-important information I gave him-he has distorted everything to the point that I can not even recognize it-However, I will get into it later-I want to clear up the Document from Ret .Alpena Police Det. Ray Skiba-normally I would just let this go-but it also is so distorted-and involves other people -so I want to clear this up-Ray says in the document-That a note was passed to Chief Anderson from Helen in which I identified John as the Oakland County Child Killer-He said he took that info and passed it on to Det. Harvey of the Oakland County Sheriffs Department(-Lying)-I had been working with Det. Harvey for some time by phone-and Ray was going nuts trying to figure out who it was-as I had mention my suspicion about John -the first week that I met John and we had talked about it often in our coffee meetings-So what makes a local Det. say differently? He wanted into this case so bad-I mean he was absolutely obsessed with what was going on with the Occk-I told him right out-with the problems with Chief Anderson-The Alpena Police Dept-was NOT going to get credit for any of this-so to just forget it! Well Ray knew I didn't want any credit for this case when it was solved-so he just could not understand why I wouldn't let him in on this-so I had given him a business card of Det. Harvey -only because I always kept him up to date on what was going on in any under cover stuff that I did-in case I turned up missing-Well Ray is like and old busy body -you know the old hag type that makes everything their business-So without telling me, he calls Det Harvey several times and offers his help. He bugged Det.Harvey so much-that Harvey finally told him-"Well, why don't you go down to the Rare Book Store and look for Jills book, as Helen thinks that one of the older boys of the mother of Johns child sold a bunch of books that he stole from John" at that store-Well I must have had a sixth sense because I called Harvey on another matter-and he said "Hey, I just got off the phone with your Det. friend", and when I found out that Ray had been bugging him -I'd had it up to here with Skiba! You just can not have two people trying to investigate the same clue-it just doesn't work out-So I went to the station and I was hopping mad-I had no clue that Ray had told the Chief that he was not getting any more info from me--and the reason I had no clue-was that these were exactly the words I had said to Ray and then I get these 20year old documents -and find out there is a report from Ray in there that has all of my words-but they are coming out of his mouth as if he owned them-Who does that kind of S--??-Not me-then he adds to it-he would cooperate with Birmingham police in any way he could-,but he made it clear that he did not want to conduct any meetings with Helen in this regard-Yep, I bet he didn't because I had kicked him to the curb before Don had come up-in fact I had him so riled-up that he had to make his meeting a day later then the Chiefs-So he could make this special BS file before Don arrived--and in this new file he goes on and on about how he knew I was infatuated with him and that I liked Police work and Police officers-so what makes a big Det. Lt -in fact the only Lt. they had in Alpenas dept-do such over kill??--When I first read these reports-I thought it was just a man thing-to brag or something to the big city cops when they got to Alpena -that he had women falling all over him-anyway that isn't what it was-I had dated a local Drug Dealer-and he thought that was a bad reflection on him-as after all HE WAS THE BIG DET. LT of THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT- He was so upset with me--and I told him well really your taking it better than my daughter is-He didn't find any Humor in that...at all-He knew I had bought a gun under cover from the same "Dirt Bag" So he thought I lost my mind...and this story goes on & on...Well I married the "Dirt Bag" and we left the Alpena area and moved to Phoenix AZ...From what I found out from Fred at the State Police Post -when I called there a year later- That people meaning the other cops -had quit talking about it-except for Skiba-lol So he filled me in--now I under stood Ray took this all so personal-that is why he must have dummied up the Occk file-and they talk about a woman scorn-Puhlease!!-The Bottom line is-Don Studt should have used better judgment and not Included it in the Occk files.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 22:44:00 GMT -5
Index Header from page #1- Lt. Ray Skiba Alpena Police NO SEX-Just Lies and secrets~
Really, there is not a clear place to start with this-The Narrative Reports from Don Studt-can only be said to be discus ting-The Character Assassination he did on me in these 20year old reports is beyond anyone's Imagination-I know most cops are very competitive-but the way Don Studt has made these documents out-Is just plain criminal-Dates do not match-important information I gave him-he has distorted everything to the point that I can not even recognize it-However, I will get into it later-I want to clear up the Document from Ret .Alpena Police Det. Ray Skiba-normally I would just let this go-but it also is so distorted-and involves other people -so I want to clear this up-Ray says in the document-That a note was passed to Chief Anderson from Helen in which I identified John as the Oakland County Child Killer-He said he took that info and passed it on to Det. Harvey of the Oakland County Sheriffs Department(-Lying) More~
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