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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 20, 2011 15:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 21, 2011 7:21:15 GMT -5
above Chilling -lol-story must have been a bait and switch as it seems to be a NO show-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 21, 2011 7:52:27 GMT -5
AXISOFHENDRIX has made a comment on OCCK_HD_Archives_Pt1.avi: These were kidnappings as well-- wonder if the FBI ever got involved. A Forensic accounting of the father of CHirs Busch should be done on Harold Lee Busch- he paid off victims that were molested by his son. I want to see if money made its way to the head of the Michigan State Police investigator at the time as well as how much money made its way to Brooks Patterson (Oakland County Proceuter). Thank god Kim Worthy of Wayne county is looking in to this with their own Grand Jury (I trust her)
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 21, 2011 8:12:09 GMT -5
AXISOFHENDRIX -Well I don't trust Kim-for a couple of reasons-Chris Busch is not the first person that she has called the Occk-If they have no more evidents then what i have seen-and they need to give immunity to Gunnel...who really doesn't know anything-to make their case stand up--well it just isn't going to happen-that is why I'm glad that the Oakland County Prosocutor is having her own grand Jury-she has never gone off hafe thingyed in the Occk cases-she is a very honorable person--and in addition to that-you mite want to wait and see what we have--also if Busch's parents were paying off victims...how is it that Gunnel wasn't paid off?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 21, 2011 9:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by internetresearch on Aug 10, 2011 21:03:02 GMT -5
Well, Helen - you may be right about "the Fox Island - Cass Corridor thing" being passe to the Grand Jury. But I hope not, and here's why:
Gerald Richards, Dyer Grossman, Francis Shelden, Chris Busch and Greene all shared a fairly specific obsession - a desire to witness, to photograph and or film, young adolescent males sexually assaulting prepubescent children, and then to sexually assault the participants themselves. They were so obsessed with enacting this scenario that their obsession led to their undoing. Richards testified in the Illinois hearings, that he was offered an insane amount of money by someone (he doesn't name the person(s), not hard to figure out the probable suspects), to bring together two of his "models" - a 14 yr old boy & a 10 yr old boy - and film them having sex together. Which he did. Richards was charged with "molesting" this 10 yr old. Shelden was charged with sexual acts involving the 14 yr old, and the same 10 yr old but two years earlier when the boy was 8. Grossman was charged with sexual acts involving both the 14 yr old and the 10 yr old.
Now consider this quoted info: "It was Jan. 25, 1977 and three men would be arrested by Flint police on allegations of forcing boys to commit sexual acts. The three defendants were Christopher Busch, Douglas Bennett and Gregory Woodard Greene. News reports indicated detectives would be questioning as many as 75 boys. Busch, Bennett and Greene were accused of using gifts, threats and physical force to persuade more than 30 boys to engage in sodomy, oral sex and lewd photography sessions, according to news reports" "... Christopher Busch, age 25, was arrested in connection with Fox Island pornography and child rapes involved as many as fifty 10 to 14-year-old boys. Traverse City newspaper reported on March 12, 1977 that eight rolls of film confiscated from Busch as part of that arrest"
People may not understand that much of this pornographic material likely depicts the same type of scenario that obsessed the others, i.e., teens 13-16 sexually assaulting prepubescent children. Here's the relevance. Gunnels states that he never saw Busch assaulting anyone else, and he may be telling the truth. He might only have been used as a lure. But from the 30-50 postulated victims of Busch-Greene, many will have been young teens filmed or photographed forcibly sodomizing younger children.
Although I couldn't condone it, I'd be surprised if family members of some of those older victims weren't powerfully motivated to "cause" investigations to be abruptly closed, evidence to become lost, 'forgotten' or destroyed, red herrings to be circulated, lies to be told, false alibis to be supported, etc. If investigators or justice officials complained that victims families were being uncooperative because they didn't want certain information to get out, the murder victim's families might be justifiably offended by that - but they might have been referring to the MURDERED victims families...
You rightly questioned, wouldn't investigators have gone through the seized pornography looking for images of the murder victims? And news reports of the day indicate that they did, but that only involved materials seized up to that time. Would they continue to do this, long after their investigations were closed? Here's a very remarkable quotation from a forensic analysis of commercial pornography created during this period and beyond:
"In the Netherlands [meaning, published there but not necessarily created there] between 1983 and 1987, the series which appeared under the title "David", contained photographs which came from the collection of a private individual who, apparently, never intended them for publication. After his death the photographs fell into the hands of a relative who turned them to profit". "These are the photographs published in the issues 1 to 9, inclusive".
Photographs of young boys, apparently. From some pervert's personal collection, that he never intended others to see - a pervert who died prior to 1983 - which somehow "fell into the hands of a relative". Hmmm.
That's about all I have to say, in public, at this time.
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Post by internetresearch on Aug 10, 2011 21:06:54 GMT -5
Sorry, that should have read : "...the murder victim's families might be justifiably offended by that - but they might NOT have been referring to the MURDERED victims families..."
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