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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 19, 2012 15:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 19, 2012 20:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 0:54:17 GMT -5
We need any Arial Views That You May Have Of Jills Drop Off From The 1976 Murder Site- Thanks ,Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 2:28:02 GMT -5
Helen, I don't get that impression. I tend to believe that something of Jill's was
left on the other side of 75. Maybe it's something they never found.
I wish Studt showed you an aerial view of Jill's site as well. Maybe
there is a smudge in the snow of something? Jack
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 8:11:15 GMT -5
Helen, I don’t think so. I don’t even think Jill went to Somerset Mall. I think she was abducted at the Tiny Tim Hobby Center. That was a big hangout for teens. I, myself used to go there in the 60s for slot car racing. I’m not sure what type of activities they had for kids in the 70’s there but it was a magnet for youngsters. I now really believe that the missing S was in response to Bruce Danto’s suggestion that the killer drop the body on Squirrel Road. “Ok, Bruce Danto here’s your freakin’ “S” . Don’t tell me what to do”.. Therefore, he dropped Kristine’s body on “Bruce” Lane. I mean, “what are the odds”? Also, what are the odds John would include Dr. Danto’s house on his map he drew in Alpena?  Why would he do this 14 years after the murders? There must have been some Hastings relationship with Danto, IMO. By the way, Somerset and the I-75 drop-off are about 5-6 miles from Johns’ house and about 4-5 miles from Jill’s Matt |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 8:16:31 GMT -5
Helen, I don’t think so. I don’t even think Jill went to Somerset Mall. I think she was abducted at the Tiny Tim Hobby Center. That was a big hangout for teens. I, myself used to go there in the 60s for slot car racing. I’m not sure what type of activities they had for kids in the 70’s there but it was a magnet for youngsters. I now really believe that the missing S was in response to Bruce Danto’s suggestion that the killer drop the body on Squirrel Road. “Ok, Bruce Danto here’s your freakin’ “S” . Don’t tell me what to do”.. Therefore, he dropped Kristine’s body on “Bruce” Lane. I mean, “what are the odds”? Also, what are the odds John would include Dr. Danto’s house on his map he drew in Alpena? Why would he do this 14 years after the murders? There must have been some Hastings relationship with Danto, IMO. By the way, Somerset and the I-75 drop-off are about 5-6 miles from Johns’ house and about 4-5 miles from Jill’s Matt Well you must be reading my mind-as I am working on a story just from the facts-and I nearly fell over when I found that Daddy Hastings owned property on Squirrel Road and no one in his families even knew that??? Yes there is a Danto connection-but finding proof of it-now after all these years-is going to be difficult- as Danto has never told the truth about anything-to anyone-ever-..... I understand- |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 8:19:43 GMT -5
Helen, Perhaps John watched as the police came for the body?Geo
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 8:22:31 GMT -5
Helen, If she did, she would have taken Coolidge or possibly Adams. However, Oakland Mall on 15 mile and I-75 was closer than Somerset.Dean
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 13:54:57 GMT -5
Every day I drive by the area where Jill Robinson's body was found, so I often study the area. That area is busy, very well lit, full of curves so you need to pay attention to how you're driving, and at that exit, there is the Troy police station.
Putting her body here seem to me to be an 'in your face' action - Certainly a move by someone who's confident they are going to get away with it. My old car had broken down twice in this same area (except heading south), and both times I've had strangers stop to help me. I would think that any vehicle at the side of the road in this area would draw attention.
Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 14:26:43 GMT -5
Hey All-Does anyone have part #2 of this post? I know many of you have kept all my site stuff-I really need it-as Yahoo has put all my old posts in some kind of files-that I can not open and all the maps to this area have expired- and we have no way of knowing which Mall this was at-with out the second hafe-It would have been posted on the Internet in 1999-*(John,when you walked out of the Penny's Dept Store in your Santa Claus suit..is that when you met up with Jill?..Did you recognize her as the daughter of your school instructor?..Is that how you got into the conversation ...when she said she was-upset with her mother and wanted to go see her Dad..and did you just happen to tell Jill ..you were going the same way..as you were-.Mr..Robinson .lived but a few min. from your place...and from what you told me..Jill willingly accepted the ride...and even though she had her bike..it was no problem for you..you just open the hatch back..and tossed it in...What I want to know John,is when did Jill tell you her favorite song was-Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds...was it when..you were cruising down Woodward?..And How did you end up buying her the tape...or did one of your Sib's pick it up for you..to give Jill for a Christmas present..After all you knew she wasn't going to be home for Christmas...so she wouldn't be having any presents from her family...but then neither would you-Right?..So John tell me...was it after she felt relaxed...and when she thought you would be taking her any min.to see her Dad...that Jill told you about her premonition..that some man was going to shoot her in the face...that you decided ,that you would?..You told me..Jill was shot in the face after death..that you wanted to toy with the Cop's so you were going to leave them a very big clue..so you shot Jill with a Xxx gauge shotgun..a gift from your uncle..that had a barrel on that was famous...named after your family...but you know John...you shot her in the face-so it would alarm...and terrify all the family and friend's -that Jill had told about the Premonition...or was it to make the Dr.. she was seeing about this...to some how think he was responsible...well what ever the reason John...only a monster would shoot a child after -they had already killed her...and John I will want to talk about Jill again soon...as you know there are many things ..I haven't listed...that the public really should know... The Title was-( Jill and Santa? ) Hope someone can help us out-Thanks, Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 15:07:10 GMT -5
 JILL ROBINSON |
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Post by Cas Obs on Jun 20, 2012 19:03:15 GMT -5
Northwood Shopping Center
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 20:31:01 GMT -5
Thank you soooo much-I have been looking for hours-and it is so important-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 21:30:33 GMT -5
Yes the map of John is quite accurate in regards to the buildings. Taking a look at the news photo you have the X in the middle of photo which is where Jill was placed which is left of the shoulder of the road. The tall triangle building (Top of Troy) is right of the road while City Hall & Police are left (Hard to see but very left of horizon in photo). Now if you take John's map and head south on 75 which would be down, these same details given above agree where Jill's body would be the big dot (not the little dot which would be the other side of 75) which is the left side of road. Looking at the news photo and caption it is very telling. It states it was 1/2 mile away from the buildings, so yes I don't think a gun shot would be noticed from that far away. It may have been heard but certainly not from inside the buildings. I believe the distance was pre-planned where it was far enough away that the gun shot would not be noticed. I also believe this was a message that the serial killer was in control. Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2012 22:06:52 GMT -5
Helen did John have a good throwing arm? He played baseball? Did Jill have anything missing that would be easy to throw (bracelet?) . If he threw something on the other side of 75 it may have went unnoticed. Especially if there were no foot prints in the snow to it. Perhaps something was recovered much later and they never connected it to Jill? JJ-Note Yes JJ John was a good enough ball player to have gone into the Pros- Well I can tell you-what Tobias told me was missing-a Pencil Holder and a Blanket...So I don't know-I will look in Tobias' File when I get up-Oh I do remember something about some Girl Scout pins and scraf holder-I just don't know who he said they belong to-
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Why would he do this 14 years after the murders? There must have been some Hastings relationship with Danto, IMO.