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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 7, 2011 7:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 7, 2011 18:14:13 GMT -5
Photo #1- This is what the building looks like today, however, when I was visiting John, the roofed enclosure over part of the stairway on the right side of the building was not there. There was at that time, a steel stairway leading up to an open platform at the top of the a stairs. The stairs were made of steel and were completely exposed to the elements, that is they were bolted to the outside of the building. They were very steep and dangerous to climb as there wasn't even a hand railing. I will never forget those stairs because although there were 30 stairs, I only touched 3 of them when I came down them the night I thought John was going to kill me. We were just sitting there talking I had just asked John to confess to Law Enforcement, He walked over to his desk with his back to me when (in a voice that chilled me to the bone) he said "Do you think anyone smart enough to do all of this and keep his mouth shut for so long, would be stupid enough to confess?" he didn't wait for my answer, he just said "I think you'd better leave and I think you should do it now". I was only three steps from the door, but it seemed like a mile, and I thought to ;myself " I'm never going to make it My heart was beating faster than when I shot my first deer.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 7, 2011 18:24:15 GMT -5
Photo #2, shows the entrance door to the business where John had his shoe box office in the back. This office was smaller than a mop closet, the desk was built into a wall, it held his typewriter and phone. There was a drawer under the desk, with a hidden ledge on it where John had hidden a 1970s manicure set. It would be a collectors item today. My question has always been "why would someone take such care to hide a manicure set in his dinky little shoe box office, when he had a huge apartment, with little in it?". You do remember that all of the OCCK children were manicured before they were dropped off.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 8, 2011 10:10:06 GMT -5
Helen;
Was John's apartment yellow siding in the 70s? Was the kitchen the first thing you entered when you came through the door? I believe I delivered a newspaper at that house for a brief time. The reason why I remember was that the steps scaried the hell out of me. She lived upstairs and she was a divorcee and she was hardly home. She liked to pay for 2 months at a time. I delivered papers all along Sable and Tawas and 9th. I also had a friend named LaMarre that lived across the street. This would all be around the 1974-75 time frame.xxxxxxNOTE: yes it was the same in the 90's when John lived there.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 10, 2011 4:15:54 GMT -5
Yes Jack this is the apartment that I saw the wall hanging at-I still have not been able to find out if the size on the police page of McKinneys-could have been wrong-as to me they looked Identical--but there was definitely a difference in the size-I guess the reason I remember it so well-is because it was made so perfect-and just seemed out of place...but yet John was into buildings and architect-so who knows...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 15, 2011 14:20:40 GMT -5
What is really gnawing at me and has been since the very first time I learned it is this: John Hastings produced, in 1992, a passport saying he was in Europe when Tim was abducted and murdered. It was accepted, no questions asked, which leads me to believe the investigative officer looked at it, saw date stamps and handed it back.
Helen says it is a fake and that stands to reason given US Passport requirements. A passport is only good for ten years. So, if John had a passport in 1992 that showed him out of the country in 1977, it doesn’t make sense (that’s a 15 year span). That passport would have been expired by 1992. He claims to have been overseas since then as well( although I need to check the docs about that), which means he would have had to have his passport reissued/renewed. The US requires you to turn in the current passport before issuing a new one. You get the old one back, but it is stamped with a very clear stamp that says,“Cancelled - New passport applied for (with the date)” and a hole punched through it.
When John’s passport was examined and deemed a reason to clear him, who looked at it? How much do they know about passports? Did they check date of issue against the current date to see if it was even valid? Were they even aware of a passports length of use? If he produced it then, was it stamped correctly with the cancellation stamp (and hole punched through all pages)?
It doesn't wash. Judi
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 16, 2011 3:08:00 GMT -5
Helen, Do you even think he will tell me the truth tomorrow?
The thing about Tim's death only--it could simply be that they had the best chance of getting info from this person on Tim's death only, so they work with one case at a time. You know the drill--one at a time. On the other hand, and this is totally weird, but I was thinking earlier today about the possibility that John was involved only with Mark. Jill & Kristine. The completely weird reason I ask is that I was dwelling on what you pointed out on the site--that in the "fictionalized" book, the character of Tim lives. John described Kristine's clothing in a way only the killer could. Tim's case was so publicized, many items were public knowledge. Again, bear with me--this is totally weird. The psychic in The Wolf book specifically mentions that Tim did not "go through as much" as the others. Perhaps he was treated differently because his case is isolated--someone else kidnapped and murdered the other three. Or, perhaps this is because, as the "legend" seems to go, the second person involved in these crimes "found god" and did not participate in Tim's abduction and murder, so he was only tormented by one person instead of two. ALL SPECULATION, but why not think out loud? Furthermore, IF Tim's case was a copy cat, his case follows on the heels of these other cases and it must have seemed too good to be true for whoever nabbed him--an 11-year-old kid clearly out on his own, dark & secluded parking lot, no one around . . . . Although the most respected people on these cases have said since March 22, 1977, that all four cases are related, remember that Tim's body was described as "almost clinically clean." Greater care could have been taken with his body because the killer knew the heat was so close that any error could result in his arrest, or it could have been another person--the other kids were cleaned up, but maybe not "clinically clean."
I know I won't find out for sure what went down in 2002. Certainly would have appreciated a head's up, but after 18-months, we were simply an afterthought--"they are f--ked, so let's just ignore it." Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 19, 2011 21:55:22 GMT -5
Interview with John Hastings in Atlanta, GA summer 2009
Gray: Well she stopped using your name, I know that.(My note: I believe they are referring to Helen who, as far as I have ever known, has only used his first name)
JH: I think, I think legally she has to stop using my name, doesn't she or something like that
Gray: Well, it's not, not really (unclear)
JH: Well I tell you what, if, ah, if I get, ah, totally cleared of this, you know, I can sue her I believe.
Williams: You have to be cleared first.
JH: ah
Gray:[redacted] I mean you said something interesting [redacted], I listen to words that people use and, you know, if I get cleared. I mean that tells me, it says nuts, it says something in the back of your head that you're holding back?
JH: We push things to the back of our head.
Williams: Yeah, yeah, well, you see at, right at this point, you're not so sure, so it's
Gray: Well, but if you are
JH: I'm sure, you know, I, I'm sure
Williams: You're not convincing us
John goes on to explain that he meant "if" because he was going to have to take another test to get cleared meaning he wasn't yet cleared.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 26, 2011 18:04:45 GMT -5
Helen,I know you already know this but I was so excited when I could bring it up,as you know he took this site down years ago,I just wanted you to know I'm still working on this. Lol "That's the website of John's brother Michael...who's on TV, and has fibromyalgia. He says his brother, Jack does also. The family calls John, "Jack". Read the family genealogy section! Michael graduated Seaholm in 1978. That's why the mother kept the house...for Mike to grad in Sept. of 1978...and then sell in Nov 1978. Jim
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 15, 2011 19:31:41 GMT -5
Re-Post~ -No Passport this time-He showed up for the interview with some encyclopedia of serial killers, allegedly to demonstrate that he is simply fascinated by these types of crimes and to bolster his premise that he was only discussing this crime with me because of interest, not involvement. (What a piece of work.)
He said I "made up" the map drawing and that he never said what AW overheard that December day in the Big Boy. Let me point out that AW had absolutely no reason to lie, and there are other witnesses who observed the map drawing, etc. It was at this point that John ran out of answers and started doing that weird trance thing- While at other points John never denied saying anything, just said I was making things up, and during the map discussion. He said the witnesses were wrong because he never said that stuff or wrote the maps.
The interview was 2 hours, and became heated at times.
John said he does not keep in contact with his family--hasn't talked to Xxx in ages; rarely talks with Xxxx . When asked why John didn't end up in Florida like some of the rest of his family, he had no response. John is completely strange and bizarre and often did not make eye contact.
John said he never knew any Xxxx Xxxxx; didn't have a friend who committed suicide or know anyone at that time who killed himself. That I was smart enough to do the research on Xxxxx date of death and that the fact that it was on the same day as my husband's suicide was just a coincidence. This is a pretty d**n big coincidence, as is John's proximity to the Dirtbags house.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2011 10:03:09 GMT -5
Yorkshire Ripper and Moors Murderer Ian Brady are entitled to state benefits, Government reveals Read More www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2011/07/19/yorkshire-ripper-and-moors-murderer-ian-brady-are-entitled-to-state-benefits-government-reveals-86081-29079889/#ixzz1SZ0UsiG9 * Page 1-THE Yorkshire Ripper and Moors Murderer Ian Brady are entitled to benefits, it has been revealed. The serial killers, who both struck in and around Huddersfield, are able to claim incapacity benefit as they’ve been detained under the Mental Health Act. The most the serial killers would be entitled to claim under the long-term basic rate is £94.25 a week but it is not known if they have made a benefits claim. Details of the scheme emerged in a Commons debate. The Government is now reviewing whether all serial killers detained under mental health legislation can receive incapacity benefit. Employment Minister Chris Grayling described the payments as an "anomaly" when he was asked if it was right. Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe, now 64, received 20 life terms for the murder of 13 women and the attempted murder of others in Yorkshire and Greater Manchester. His victims included teenage Huddersfield prostitute Helen Rytka, who was attacked and murdered in Great Northern Street while working as a vice girl in the town. The killer also attacked teenager Theresa Sykes, 16, as she returned from a local shop to her home in Oakes. She was struck from behind but he fled when people heard her screams. Brady, along with accomplice Myra Hindley, buried his young victims on the bleak Pennine moors above Holmfirth. One of those victims, 12-year-old Keith Bennett, has never been found. His remains are thought to be in a moorland grave off the A635 Greenfield Road. Jake Berry, the MP for Rossendale and Darwen, said in Parliament yesterday: "Unlike prisoners, those detained under the Mental Health Act, including Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe, are entitled to receive incapacity benefit. Will you tell the House what this Government intends to do about it?" * 1 * 2 * next Read More www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2011/07/19/yorkshire-ripper-and-moors-murderer-ian-brady-are-entitled-to-state-benefits-government-reveals-86081-29079889/#ixzz1SZ16vugR Note-Other pages on link~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 22, 2011 12:42:27 GMT -5
papers touch briefly on trying to tie Busch and John together because of their addresses. They attempt to look for living neighbors who can remember if they were friends.
Finally, Cory has a section where he discusses hearing from you regarding the date of Wally's death. He was interested enough to send it on and have people check out Wally's and Busch's death records. They also discussed this with John who didn't remember ever having a conversation with you about a friend committing suicide on the same date 5 years earlier. He also claimed he didn't remember Anthony Mitchell, but he clearly knew him when he was drawing maps because he included him and called him Tony. Sgt.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 25, 2011 17:43:51 GMT -5
John's Apartment~Shoebox Office~Alpena Mi Helen,papers touch briefly on trying to tie Busch and John together because of their addresses. They attempt to look for living neighbors who can remember if they were friends.
Finally, Cory has a section where he discusses hearing from you regarding the date of Wally's death. He was interested enough to send it on and have people check out Wally's and Busch's death records. They also discussed this with John who didn't remember ever having a conversation with you about a friend committing suicide on the same date 5 years earlier. He also claimed he didn't remember Anthony Mitchell, but he clearly knew him when he was drawing maps because he included him and called him Tony. Sgt.
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