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Post by Helen Dagner on May 31, 2011 22:58:04 GMT -5
The meetings with the Birmingham police is indeed bizarre. OCCK Asking the mother of John's kid only one question--if John was in love with you; now that is telling. Guess what angle they were coming from??? (I seriously doubt John is capable of loving anybody or anything.) It would have been nice if the cops at least asked her about the weird nuts John had said to her/in front of her about the OCCK and what the fxxk the deal was with a grown man keeping a box of d**n womens' nylons around, along with his other stash of weird nuts.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 2, 2011 0:36:16 GMT -5
Although the new angle is interesting and may appear to have some "legs" to it, I still believe your story. I do believe young Mike could very well be involved. However, when multiple parties are involved in such a hideous crime, there are too many people with loose lips over time to keep this an unsolved crime for so many years. Just my opinion. I still don't buy the pedophile angle. I don't know anyone named Chris from back them who may have committed suicide. If you can get me the last name, I can sure find out; Any more news on the Mitchell death and McKinney murder? I'm sticking with your story. Thanks for sharing and mum is the word. Please keep me posted on developments I'll get back to you soon with more thoughts but I have to ruminate on this information more.. Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 6, 2011 20:40:34 GMT -5
Robert, I think the window has just about close forever on the Oakland County Child Murder cases (except if some investigative journalist pushes it and makes it public).
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 10, 2011 4:00:47 GMT -5
Many of the site readers want to know if John has a criminal record-I know of a few bad checks in Alpena,Michigan...and that is it-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 12, 2011 18:16:06 GMT -5
John was raised a Catholic -attended their schools and according to his father the family had a falling out with the church and at some point they all became Born Again Evangelical type Christians-So their past sins are all forgiven...I find that very interesting-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 15, 2011 10:04:51 GMT -5
Helen, Are you any more optimistic today than you were a year ago? Stan
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 16, 2011 3:00:05 GMT -5
Forgive my ignorance, but why hasn't this murderer been caught yet? Ron
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 20, 2011 22:54:58 GMT -5
Mark,I think this is the post you asked about--*The first LE- I called was the Birmingham PD....That connection was to Det.Don Studt...after a few conversation with him...I started to mail him daily reports on John...then the night that John drew the Maps of the pick up & drop offs of each kid..I called Don...and told him I was sending them down...well with in a few days Don called to say he... and I believe his chief {I can not remember his name & I never ever even have asked anyone to tell me-as he was such and unmemorable person-I didn't need his name} would be up to talk to me & would also be at the Big Boy restaurant when John & I would meet for coffee-sure enough they arrived two days later and I was to meet them at the Holiday Inn in Alpena Michigan...just before noon-at the pool area...when I arrived I just found myself a table and sat down...seemed like I waited for a bit...and then I saw my daughter come out of a room ....where she had been interviewed by them{I had no knowledge that she would be there...{as she left she said..".I had to take off from work-for them to figure out -if your & my head were screwed on tight?"}...To this day she has not told me what they discussed...nor have I asked her. Then Don and his boss introduced them selves...they were all smiles...and had indeed been busy since they hit Alpena-they had already talked to my parole officer...who told them -she just loved me-I was such a great person{I just smiled...because I knew that she had said that-then she told them how I did under cover work-ect. ect....they also talked to a lot of other people about me-the chief of the Alpena police dept.-the Lt. ect. ect....I only mention all of this -so you will see that more investigation was given to me...than to John...so that afternoon we went out for dinner...and did not talk about the case at all...as they were still trying to size me up...I only order Orange Juice...and they found that quite upsetting....then back to their car...we went and pick up the mother of John's child...and the only questions they asked her...was do you think John is interested or in Love with Helen...she answer NO!....and then....Don & his boss had the opportunity...but did not take it...to view some physical evidence...that could possibly of contain the children' Dna....That is when I knew that they really did consider John a suspect...and were going to follow all the rules....We then drop off the mother of Johns child...and they dropped me off to meet up with Beth...and they would go get situated in the restaurant...So Beth & I took are regular booths and waited for John....Who for the first time ever...NEVER SHOWED UP....Then we all left separately and grouped back up a block down at the Gas station.....and they told Beth & I that they were going to see John in the am...so we rode by his apartment..I gave them the lay out...{his light was on}...and I knew what he was doing...He was still reading The book Sheep in Wolf's...a library book that I had just picked up that day...and asked John if he would like to read it first...this is the same day that I lied to John and told him I was going to meet with Mr. King and his daughter at Big Boy that night...and he was welcome to join us...this is also at the time he had a freudian slip...as he walked across his living room..He said" He will recognize me"...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 21:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by BryanRhist on Aug 26, 2020 5:32:38 GMT -5
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