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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 30, 2011 14:44:56 GMT -5
I will get to all your Feedback-Right now I'm tracking....you won't even believe this-Just never say Never--One more person of Interest --FROM BLOOMFIELD MICHIGAN!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2011 0:03:12 GMT -5
Helen, I will help you out. Have you checked possible rap sheet? What social security # is on that? Recall that Bob Keppel, (a friend of mine, by the way), was hired to work on the Atlanta murders also. Helen, what is the best newspaper or TV station in that area, that might have some good background and coverage? Might bed a contact for me to dig in on. What participation did the FBI have, if any, with this? I have good contacts with Quantico- the profilers-etc. Did they study these cases? Also I will check with Interpol, but you will need to be patient on this, as we are looking for information that is nearly 35 years old. Thanks for inviting me into the loop. Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 0:06:16 GMT -5
Scott,you wanted to know the name of the book John was writing-I'm not real sure what he finally named it-but at the time-In 91-he said it was-{Global Economic Collapse}...It was the Spiraling down the vortex of economic disaster---I read some of it-all I can remember...is something about " Land of the Endless Entitlements since 1965".
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2011 0:07:59 GMT -5
No-No-Jeff you have that all wrong! Jack Kresnak-was never a suspect in the Occk killings--- He was the reporter from the Detroit Free Press,that had been on the first day of the Occk cases-,when I talked with him ,he had 30 years in on the cases and at that time was the only active reporter around who was still covering the Occk....all tho,we had a lot of back and forth contact over these cases...I have lost contact with him-I have no Idea if he Is still alive. Sorry
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 3, 2011 14:16:22 GMT -5
Helen, When I read this link cloakdagner.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=me&action=display&thread=176 I immediately thought of a tip i called in back in early 1977-about the dark complected man,at the time they were looking for the person who wrote the Allen letter,I never heard anything more about it, but have thought about it all these years, I lived on Xxxxxx-then when I read John's fathers rental property address, I realized this guy must have lived there and possibly at the same time as John. Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 3, 2011 21:04:45 GMT -5
Hi Helen, I just watched the 3rd video. Great job, as usual. Question - why in the world would John put Kristine's blouse on backwards??? Could there still be fingerprints on it? Also, isn't it ironic that Bobby Grinnan's boots were on backwards. Hmm. Coincidence? Thanks. Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 3, 2011 22:42:36 GMT -5
I am looking for Allen, who went to the Tiger baseball game with Tim King on his birthday in 1976-Please contact Helen at Bingotank@aol.com ASAP Thanks
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 4, 2011 7:25:27 GMT -5
Helen,Do I have this right? It's possible John was "abused" at Rice but from what I am reading at your site, the problem seems to have been more rooted within his family. Ken--- Note-You have it right.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 4, 2011 18:46:14 GMT -5
Concerned
Petoskey, MI Reply ยป | Report Abuse | Judge it! | #5770 19 min ago FYI....Kristine Mihelich was not a Catholic and had no affiliation with the Shrine of the Little Flower Church. She did not attend school or church there. The Shrine of the Little Flower is a very lovely church but Kristine was not connected with the church in any way. I
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 4, 2011 19:27:29 GMT -5
IT IS OFFICIAL! EVERY BIT OF INFO I EVER RECEIVED FROM TERRI INCLUDING THE PHOTOS OF KRIS' CHURCH_HAS BEEN INCORRECT !! After Reading The Post at Topix-(That we have posted above} I deleted them from our site-I tried to call Kris' Mom Deb-However I seem to have a out dated phone number- I do want to apologize, to you and your family-I'm sorry that we posted those photos,with out checking out this info-I have been at this a long time and should have known better...again I'm sorry this happen. Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2011 15:00:30 GMT -5
From: "terri keeler" <terrikeeler@sbcglobal.net> To: "" <bingotank@aol.com> My computer isn't working. So, this might not get to you. Chuck, in East China, know anything about him ? Ok, Jaguar70, Chuck, or a fake name, who knows --- Medium brown hair, bald in back (halo), 250 lbs., 6' 3" (about), mustache w/face stubble, work afternoons, left around 3:30, Don't know where, Hung out at Marie's club -- bar in Detroit on Harper/Outer drive -- sometimes, nice teeth, aged then -- 76/77 -- 28-30 years old maybe. That's all I have on him. Got that from an old friend on the block. I never knew him. The person who gave that to me doesn't know anymore than that -- too bad. I went to where they found Kristine on her birthday last Friday. I can't believe how easy it was to find. God's interventions. It's a beautiful place. I found it peaceful instead of always picturing it like it was on the news. There's a tree right there that has to be at least 50. It saw everything, if you think about it. I took a bit of bark, said some prayers, told her we were still looking for who did this to her. I left her a pink rose. It was so quiet, except for a light wind. We, me and my family, then went to her Church, the Shrine of Flowers one. It was open. We were alone again. It's so beautiful in there. I just figured it was going to be a little church. Not at all. We prayed and lit candles for all the kids. The day couldn't have gone any more perfect. I can look upon those things and see things a little different now, even though she's still gone. I'll talk to you again when the computer gets back from the shop. Hope all is good with you, Terri
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2011 15:10:02 GMT -5
Lawson/motel Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:25:44 AM From: "terri keeler" <terrikeeler@sbcglobal.net> To: "bingotank@aol.com" <bingotank@aol.com>, "webmaster@helendagner.com" <webmaster@helendagner.com> Helen, The Lawson motel paper I sent you, I saw it mentioned briefly. Maybe you should post it. Just to see what people come up with. The motel was next to Kristine's church. Is it anywhere near the bowling alley or any other significant places ? Who is Larry Allen Smith ? Why was he a suspect ? Do you have a picture ? Carl spent a lot of time in Arizona. He has a record there too. When he came back it was his nic-name here in Michigan. He drove a white car, lots of rust. I can't remember the make of it. I have Carl's stuff written down in my box. I hate looking for the stuff. It just makes me go deeper into this. How can you deal with this case daily ? I'd be an emotional wreck. I mean the stupid Dan nuts isn't upsetting, but really looking at the kids is. I'm going to the site Kris was taken from and where she was found. I'm going to the church and the school. I just need to see if I can feel anything from her. No, I'm not psychic. I just want to go. Were any REAL psychics ever call in by the police or family ? Oh, Carl's Gina and the jewelry in the picture -- it was a necklace or pin from one of the girls. According to Gay, the FBI have the picture. True or false ? I don't know. So many weird connections in this case that may or may not be relevant. Carl, Norberg, Kevin's guy, and I think you said John, all lived at 9 and Vand**e in Warren at the same time. Kim King was taken in front of a store named Lawson's -- at the time. No connection to Richard Lawson, just the name of the store. The store and phone are still there. Carl and Indian Kim went to that McNasty bar. Norberg, John Lawson had Carl's cats for a few weeks in the summer of 76' when his wife kicked him out. Carl stayed at some bike shop in Mt. Clemens, I think. Might have been Chesterfield, I'd have to dig for that one. So many of the same cars related. The looks of the kids -- including me. Why would Ted quit killing Why only those four ? The other kids he had lived ? Maybe because they went willingly. Did Lawson quit molesting ? Carl moved so much no one could pin point him at any time. I did though. I have it on paper. I gave Carl's info to Gay and Det. Williams. Ok, real weird --- Dan described a wool blanket and a small pillow. My guy had a wool blanket in the car, army green, looked itchy. There was also a small white pillow with green Brady bunch type flowers on it. It looked new, it was bright white. He also had a black camera bag -- at least I'm guessing that's what it was. Did Dan come up with the pillow and blanket on his own or from one of your posts ?? Ok, I'll shut up now. PS -- Dan's not posting on Topix right now. I'm surprised ?
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2011 20:46:49 GMT -5
Little did I know that this was going to be the pc of paper that fell to the floor...Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: the West Bloomfield Police in Michigan~
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{I am Sgt. Dan O'Malley of the West Bloomfield Police in Michigan. I am trying to reach Helen Dagner and I was given to believe this is her e-mail address. I would like Helen Dagner to call me at 248-975-8923. If this is not the e-mail address for Helen Dagner please disregard this message. Thank you.}....SO I CALLED HIM ON MY DIME~BUT IT CAME TO ME BEFORE HE ANSWERED THE PHONE~WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY~SURE ENOUGH ~HE HAD RECEIVED A CALL FROM ONE OF HIS RESIDENTS...THAT SHE HAD RECEIVED A CALL FROM ME...AND I HAD CALLED HER TWICE...SHE OMITTED TO TELL HIM THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO...OR THE REASON FOR MY SECOND CALL~JUST THAT I HAD CALLED HER ABOUT THE OAKLAND COUNTY CHILD KILLER...AND IT FREAKED HER OUT!....WELL I CALLED IN REFERENCE TO THE OCCK...BUT IT WAS ONLY MENTION THAT I WANTED TO GET A HOLD OF A FRIEND OF HERS...AND TRUST ME THIS OLD BIDDY...WASN"T FREAKED WHEN SHE TALKED TO ME~SHE WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE LIFE LONG CHATTERING GOSSIPS...TRYING TO GET INFO OUT OF ME...WHICH SHE COULDN'T~~AND THEN SHE WENT ON TO TELL ME~IF I WOULD GET A HOLD OF HER LIFE LONG FRIEND...WHO SHE HAS TRIED FOR YEARS TO FIND...WOULD I PLEASE HAVE HER CONTACT HER....SO I FIND HER FRIEND...CALL HER BACK...AND TOLD HER I HAD THAT INFO FOR HER,,,BUT WOULD NEED TO HAVE HER AGE -BECAUSE THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE PERSON WITH THAT NAME...SO WHAT DOES SHE DO -LIE TO ME...TELLING ME SHE WAS 40 YEARS OLD...NOW MIND YOU THEY WERE BEST FRIENDS 31 YEARS AGO...WHEN THEY BOTH WERE IN THERE 40s~AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME THE FIRST CONVERSATION...WELL I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO HER ABOUT HER LYING & GAVE HER THE INFO SO SHE COULD GET A HOLD OF HER LONG LOST FRIEND~BUT I DID CALL THE PERSON BACK THAT GAVE ME HER PHONE NUMBER TO CALL.ORIGINALY ..AND LET HER KNOW...WHAT HAPPEN...AND IT WAS TRUE...RIGHT AFTER I HAD LEFT THE PHONE WITH MISS BUSYBODY..SHE WAS CALLING EVERYONE IN OAKLAND COUNTY TELLING THEM SHE HAD A CALL ABOUT THE OAKLAND COUNTY CHILD KILLER....WHEN I FOUND THIS OUT...I TURN TO RICK AND SAID...I BET YOU NEXT-SHE WILL BE CALLING THE LOCAL POLICE AND COMPLAINING-AS SHE HASN'T HAD ENOUGH ATTENTION YET!! LOL...AND SHE WILL BE ON READING THIS~BEFORE I CLICK THE SUBMIT BUTTON.... *Note-Boy time goes by fast-The above post was from May -2007-and here we are in May 2011-Little did I know that this gals "Friend" -would be someone I would be looking into -4 yrs later--Oh your going to like this new person of interest....The last person you would expect -I need to tell you though-This is not a home town person...They just rented in lovely West Bloomfield Mi- Hiding in plain site??-I will get to this as soon as I can.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 7, 2011 15:22:59 GMT -5
I posted this on Topix 1 min ago ----I see by the judging -that we have some sore losers over here at Topix and I under stand how you would think this is spam...as it is all about the child victims...Which never get mention on this site...yes,it must seem like something very foreign over here...as your more into the cass corridor and Fox Island crap-that has absolutely nothing to do with the murder of these children!...Look you only have 8 readers over here max on a good day as my reports show-So it is not going to bother me one Iota,to not inform you when new Videos are put up-Thank god google Loves me and the memory of these children...Will get the real story out -despite your opposition-we have for 20 years and it will always be about the Oakland County Child Victims-not sexual predator....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 8, 2011 22:12:29 GMT -5
Helen, Wow. I always suspected he was involved because he, too is a recluse and a nut case. Wasn't it HIS gun that you thought Xxxx used? No Photos can be found of Xxx. I am told he looked like John but was a little bit chubbier back in 7th and 8th grade. Note the time to pick up and drop off from his former home. Kristen Mihalich - Royal Oak address to drop off on Bruce Ln - 6.75 miles, 15 minutes - straight shot across 13 mile Tim King - Royal Oak address to 8 mile and Gill - 16 miles, 25 minutes via Telegraph Rd. Jill Robinson - - Royal Oak address to Big Beaver and I-75 - 5 miles, 10 minutes, via Crooks to Big Beaver to I-75 Mark Stebbins - Royal Oak address to 10 Mile and Greenfield - 8 miles, 15 minutes
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