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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 0:26:00 GMT -5
I read with interest when you send me posts from Topix,like CasO-who is Judi-and has more screen names now than Cary Wilkie,and she states that I may have fabricated some of my story about John-or he may have lied to me- For one thing-I am very proud to have NOT made up any of my John Story-It does how ever make me absolutely sick-How the people at Topix -go on and on-with their rambling lies- No wonder they think everyone is lying-because they are all incapable of telling the truth-They just have to create and create-From the very first posts on that site-That were made by Judi--"Benjamin
Blanchester, OH
Feb 15, 2007
Your comments are incorrect. No one wore an orange an pink top. Ms. Dagner has stated that her suspect told her one of the girls was wearing black pants with orangish pink appliques.
Jill Robinson's bike was not completely repainted.
Benjamin
Blanchester, OH
Feb 15, 2007
Perhaps when you refer to denim you are speaking of Jill's backpack and not Kristine's pants? Kristine's pants are the ones that were black with orange and pink dots.
I have a very specific interview with each girl's mother that states what they were wearing when they left the house. However, of what was released to the media, Kristine's pants were not described. It is interesting to note Ms Dagner's description of Kristine's pants as it hauntingly matches what I know to be true.NOTE-She is posting as a cop on both of the above posts-and she states the wrong info-in both of the posts-NEVER DID I TELL HER KRIS PANTS WERE BLACK WITH ORANGE AND PINK DOTS-SO DOES THAT MAKE HER A LIAR? HOW ABOUT IT JUST MAKES HER SOMEONE WHO IS NOT ACCURATE-? And when you are dealing with a serial murder case-If you can not be accurate-why post anything at All?? And why call someone else a fabricator,when you don't have a clue or proof-to make such a statement? I will tell you why-because you are playing to the board-trying to make your self look important-My god if you can not think of anything to post-why not -just not post? Seems simple enough to me-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 0:31:48 GMT -5
Now for Les' latest posting to him self-about Sheila-that is a post that he and Kdogg dug up from the old Cree forum,where I was answering a gal named Carrie.who Kdogg came on and posted to-that they had info at there site about the two girls deaths-and who he later stalked in emails- Why would a few people spend their time trolling the Internet for posts of mine that are 9 yrs old-just to twist the information?? Because they are very sick people with nothing to do-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 0:39:39 GMT -5
This is from the Cree Indian Forum- 2003-"Kristine had orange-ish pink appliques on her slacks and was laid down with her jacket open" You can also go and search for the posts on there that Les and Kdogg are re running-like they are saved posts- Seeing that it seems so important to all you Topix Evil Breeders...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 0:58:43 GMT -5
Another example of the twisted- When Patrick brought up the Jill deal and after everyone made their comments to this untrue Info -Kdogg came on and made a hafe hearted confession-finally stating that It was not true- However instead of letting it go at that-he had to create a side story to go with it- When in fact he was the one who made up that lie in the first place years ago- Now he adds -that I was arguing with Mr. Robinson, and says howeve,r I did not know it was him--BS it never happen -Kdogg created the original lie about my having anything to do with Jill Scholarship fund and then Terri went with it for years- Same old Sh-- just a different year -same old people involved in it all-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 1:04:15 GMT -5
All you Topix Freaks need to get a life-instead of wasting your time -on trying to ruin other peoples lives- and you need to find a new hobby-you have completely turned people off with all your made up Occk stuff...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:23:37 GMT -5
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Sheila Srock -Murder
From: Helen Dagner
Date: 11/20/2004
Time: 10:21:57 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.100.70
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Carrie,I have a lot of Info.on Sheila...but I really don't know at this point...what is or is not true...as every police dept.-I talked to about this...over the past 15 years...has told me a differant story...some say it has been solved...others say...it has not been...If you want to email me off line...maybe we can decied--what is going on with this case...or you can post.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:26:04 GMT -5
Sheila Srock MURDER - Cree Indian Forum
From: Helen Dagner
Date: 11/23/2004
Time: 11:16:21 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.100.70
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Hi ...Well so far i can not Get an Answer...that is the same...i have talked to 3 police officers..one said the case was solved..two said it was not...You were right about her age tho...she was 14...The book Wolf In Sheep's Clothing...by Tommy McIntyre...has a brief artical on Sheila'murder...and I guess this is were so much Info came from..their being a man on the roof..shoveling snow off...and seen ...he said..the whole murder...he also said that a white 1967 Cadillac,was seen leaving the area...John told me...Sheila answered the door..he had stopped there to return and item...she left at the skating rink...when she open the door ..he put his foot in it...and then shoved...it open over coming her...he also told me that the car was a white 1971 Lincoln convertable...This Info about sheila' murder...was a big issue...when i was In Birmingham...at a police meeting...were every thing was recored...I had never heard of sheila srock...untill john had mention her...and the Info he told me...is quite differant...then was thought to be...by some...but strange...it was such a big issue with the BPD...they kept going over & over it with me...untill we all got angery..I couldn't ad or delete anything from the story...as it wasn't my story...all I knew was what john told me...and finally...after the arguing...The now Commander...who was a Det. at this time said...Who gave you that Info?!...Again i said John...And he yelled at me and said...that case is solved...The boy friend did it!...but even now 14 years after that Interview...some thing about it...just doesn't seem right...about the nylons...if you do think you know something about them...please e-mail me off line...as this is an Important pc. of evidents...In more than one case...In Oakland County...sorry i couldn't be of more help at this time...but as soon as i know for sure...if there ever was someone convicted for this murder..and who it is...I will let you know...OK?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:27:39 GMT -5
forum.creeindian.com/ You need to stroll down-many posts are intertwined with other peoples post~~~Sheila Srock -Murder Helen Dagner 11/20/2004 Sheila Srock Murder Helen Dagner 11/20/2004 sheila srock murder carrie 11/20/2004 Re: sheila srock murder Helen Dagner 11/21/2004 I-45 CORRIDOR KILLINGS-VICTIM NAMES Helen Dagner 11/21/2004 sheila srock carrie 11/21/2004 Re: sheila srock Helen Dagner 11/21/2004 Earn money online now GAURAV 11/22/2004 s.s. murder carrie 11/22/2004 Re: s.s. murder Helen Dagner 11/22/2004 Re: s.s. murder kdogg 11/23/2004 Work from Home Opportunity [Online Data Entry] : TCA Vipul Patel 11/23/2004 Sheila Srock MURDER Helen Dagner 11/23/2004
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:40:45 GMT -5
These are some of Les and his wife Susan's posts-her name was really Jackie -I guess-Cree Indian Discussion Forum
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scrutiny
From: Someone who knows
Date: 9/23/2004
Time: 9:42:22 AM
Remote Name: 67.153.50.4
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Not knowing who I am or if I'm male or Female is exactly the point of why YOU need to build credibility with me. I will never forget that day and I'm not going to educate you. "John," should only be too happy to answer my questions. Look at it from my side. I'm told this guy died eight years after the fact and suddenly you pop up stating that you have an ongoing dialogue with the OCCK? A bit hard to beleive. If this, "John" is really real, and I'm beginning to think he's not. You should be only too happy to answer my questions and lend credibility to your site. Your reputation is on the line here Helen. Alot of people are watching this one. Why won't you answer these simple questions that "John" would surely know. I know the method he used to get victims into the car. I saw what was on the seat. (Not in the Police report) After my description of the driver and car to the Police, the abductions stopped. My patience grows thin.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:44:53 GMT -5
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Re: scrutiny
From: Kato
Date: 9/23/2004
Time: 12:24:45 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.112.52
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Where exactly have you been for the last 30 years!?!? IF the info you supposedly have is SO crucial--why haven't the police done anything?
As for Helen--you can believe her or not--but I don't think she has to prove anything to anyone.
I guess I could ask you the same question--why should anyone believe you?? You post two messages on this site and suddenly you are calling the shots? LMFAO
YOU are the one who needs to establish the credibility...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:48:42 GMT -5
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Re: scrutiny
From: Cas Obs
Date: 9/23/2004
Time: 3:33:17 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.100.72
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You make me sick. I cannot believe that anyone who has been involved in a possible abduction would ever leave anything out of a police report. Nor can I believe that IF you were an almost victim of John's - or anyone elses - why would you suddenly "pop-up" with this "secret info." My younger sibling was an "almost" too and I can tell you that to this day she can tell you everything about the moment, including description, conversation, location, and vehicle details as well as everything that was reported to the police. NOTHING was left out of her story. NOTHING!
I think you are blowing smoke. As for Helen suddenly coming forward - good grief. It is about as sudden as a turtle race. If your info is so critical, why don't you go to the police yourself right now and offer it?? Neither Helen or anyone else who has been following this wants any fame - we just want closure. Why haven't the police followed through on any of this? I can't answer, but I do know that right now it is not a case of "maybe John", but 'John is" all that is required is LEGAL evidence or John's confession.
How do I know that maybe YOU aren't John? I know John exists and I know of the family ( and if you followed everything, you could connect the dots too) and I know they are smart enough to try to discredit Helen's story or at least sway focus elsewhere. So maybe you are John trying to change the path a little. No?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 2:53:43 GMT -5
Many posts have rolled off over the years-but I did find another one by Les' Ex wife Jackie-Who in this post calls her self Susan-Cree Indian Discussion Forum
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Re: scrutiny
From: Susan Goode
Date: 9/24/2004
Time: 10:11:41 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.116.135
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have to talk to Someone Who Knows. I know what was in the seat. OK Buster? I have to talk to you. Please email me. SusanBGood@yahoo.com
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 3:00:15 GMT -5
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scrutiny
From: Someone who knows
Date: 9/24/2004
Time: 1:29:14 PM
Remote Name: 67.153.50.4
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You sound a bit rattled Helen. So after today I will let you be. I just find it very interesting that after thirty years of research you won't print the single word answer to a simple question that you say you know. Remember now, I didn't ask you to reveal your source, just to validate it. All good authors are able to that. I'll check back from time to time to see if you answer. As to who I am? Depending on the outcome of a search that is going on as we speak, you'll learn my identity. But that will come to you in certified mail.
Last changed: November 23, 2004 ( NOTE 9 Years of This Crap and they are all still at it)
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2012 20:25:46 GMT -5
No I am not taking any email posts on this thread--In fact I deleted them all,with out reading them-Look, some of these Topix posters do believe in God-and when they get over their thrill post-it will come to them-that it is wrong to bear false witness against anyone,and there is consequence for doing this-right now they are riding high-but even Karma will catch up with them in due time,just like it did with Terrie,Cathy,kdogg.Les and Judi &,C-W-W-and the other posters who have done the same over there- Today was a beautiful day and a Sunday-now what kind of people, would stay indoors and spend that time-seeing how they could create a diversion. for the Occk case-? There you have your answer!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 12, 2012 4:43:25 GMT -5
Jack, I do not know much about it-I know she is worry that some family members could force her to take a poly,but you know they can not do that,however the fact that they want her to,speaks volumes for her credibility.
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