OCCK~Eliminated

[Helen Dagner]

This story is such a fabrication -that it is going to take me a lot of time to bring it all to you....

[Helen Dagner]

Instead of starting at the beginning-lets work backwards with this -to see if we can make any sense of it- My email to Les-"Well Les-that is out of the ordinary of police procedure-and to give
you notice of when they where going to show up-to me says it is not
that important--but then i have no idea of what you have told them--so
i won't even guess where this is going-Good Luck-I hope this all goes
the way you want it too"


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Detectives


This is pertaining to the OCCK case obviously.
Based on what I have told them and what they know as fact so far and
what I have read about other cases I believe they have enough to arrest
me if they choose. This may be in the form of obstruction of justice or
something similar. However my hope is that they don't try to discourage
others from coming forward that have information by arresting me. I
obviously can't tell you the specific information they would use as a
parameter to arrest me. They are well aware that I want an attorney
before I share any more information that may or may not implicate me
for criminal charges.


In a message dated 1/13/2012 2:28:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Les why would they want to arrest you-??


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 1:47 pm
Subject: Detectives


I will share this with you but if you post it, it will be the last
time.
Investigators are coming to my home Tuesday between 8am and 4 pm.
They
may have a search warrant based on some signals I have received. It
is
possible but unlikely they will have an arrest warrant which
obviously
means I won't be posting for awhile. I have also shared this with
Kevin.
May peace be with you. Les.

[Helen Dagner]

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:31 am
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law


I do appreciate your heads up even though I already knew Tim was her
brother. I did not know her name.
She probably carries guilt for his being in the wrong place at the
wrong time.
I certainly don't expect any family members to have any respect for me.


In a message dated 1/8/2012 12:02:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Well you do what you have to do-I just thought you would want to know
who she was--


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law


Yes. Am I supposed to respect her with that mouth?


In a message dated 1/7/2012 11:19:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
You know that is Tims sister-Cathy that your trashing right?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law


No it does not. Are you telling me you received the same info from
2

people?


In a message dated 1/7/2012 8:56:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Hazel Park,Mich is where the other guy was from--does old stage
road
mean anything to you?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law


Is it possible she spelled it Sherdiski?




a message dated 1/7/2012 7:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

I have to lay down now-so When I get up I will work on this
some
more--Maybe by then I will hear from her-I didn't get a mailer

demon
back-so The address must still be good-I think she must have
spell
the
last name wrong -as I can not Bring your Brother-In Laws name
up

with
your spelling which we know is right


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law


He was about 175. He wore his hair about the same length as in

pic
I
sent you but it was probably thinned out more. At one point
he
buzz
cut
all of his hair off. I do know for a fact that he was paranoid
the
police were after him.
He lived in central lower Warren and worked as a janitor at a
Catholic
Church. He worked directly for Father Tim. Father Tim would
punch
Gary's time card while Gary took days ae a time off work. Gary
would
clean up after Sunday mass and head up North. This partially
explains
the pattern that the OCCK struck his victims.


In a message dated 1/7/2012 6:28:14 P.M. Eastern Standard
Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Ok-Let me try to finger out something-how much do you think he
weight
at the time of the killings? How did he wear his hair at
the
time
of
the murders?-What area did he live in? and what type of work

did
he
do?
and how old was he at the time of his death-may sound like a

lot
of
questions-but I need to match them with the info I have on a
suspect
that had NO name-


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law


It's right on the file name, Honey. Detective Gray calls him
Punky.
Gary Frank Smentowski is his name.


In a message dated 1/7/2012 5:59:49 P.M. Eastern
Standard
Time,
[e-mail] writes:
I may have a surprise for you--Yes-it does look
dark-and
yes-blond
hair can look dark when photo graph---Les What is
his

name?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Photo of your brother-in-law





In a message dated 1/7/2012 5:28:24 P.M. Eastern
Standard

Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Someone just emailed me a picture of my brother in law
yesterday.
In the picture his hair appears black. Would anyone

like
to
see
the
picture? I would be happy to forward it to you. I
am
just
pointing
out
that certain shades of blonde can appear dark
in
certain
lighting
conditions. I

[Helen Dagner]

Sent to me by another reader~(best of craigslist



Oakland County Child Killer (Oakland County)
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Date: 2011-08-12, 5:57PM EDT
Reply to: [e-mail] [Errors when replying to ads?]
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I know who the Oakland County Child Killer is. I want to go public with
my knowledge.
Respond to me if you are interested in finding out who this guy is.

[Helen Dagner]

-----Original Message-----
From: kevin rundel <kevinrundelxxxxxxxx>
To: Helen Dagner <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: Daddy




Gary was a neat freak but that doesnt mean he wasnt unshaven. he was a biker and so was his best friend who owned the van.

I'm attaching some pictures. im assuming you already have them but Im sending them just incase.Note another Email-no college no connections that I know of. I'll ask Les if he knows. the only connection I can come up with is Gary was arrested in May of 77 outside of or right by Oakland Mall for being nude. i spoke to a cousin of janes years ago and she claimed Jane was picked up at oakland Mall by two guys in a blue van. troy police and the MSP have been unable to find the arrest record. Gary then went into the VA hospital for two weeks. A nurse there, who lives in California now, told Det Gray that a patient came in confessing to be the occk. However, Gray was unable to find out who that patient was.

I had a picture of gary from when he was about 16 but its gone now. terry might still have it. i have been unable to get any pictures of him in later years.

[Helen Dagner]

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: Punky


I went back and looked at message. It said Trooper. I assume that means
a uniformed officer.
I am just a little curious why they want to come to me instead of me
going to them and why there will be three of them.
Funny but some of their questions has been by text. Got one just now.
The rest in person or email.
The FBI agent that interviewed me disliked me very much. He was angry
about me bad mouthing LE on the forum and my posts were aimed at the
task force, not the FBI.

Based on what you claim to know do they have suspects that are not
publicly recognized names or do they have there sights set on someone
discussed on the forum?

I made it clear that I know Gray is not a current investigator but I am
sure he left a lot of notes.
I was slightly flattered that Gray ruled my claims were the result of a
family vendetta.
I must have one vivid imagination to make up all of this just to get
even with someone.
I have stuck my neck out much further this time around. There are
enough other witnesses that they don't need to believe a word I have
said. A half a day of phone calls would give them great insight.
What makes me laugh is they have only interviewed the witnesses that I
told them would only have little information. Gray did that too. No one
has contacted the painter yet and he is in failing health.


In a message dated 1/13/2012 6:03:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
no-i didn't imply they have stopped investigating-they are heavily
investigating-but not you-and yes they are getting all ducks in a
row-things in shape for the further-i'm just being honest with you--and

what do you mean bringing and officer-the investigators are
officers-gray has nothing to do with this anymore-he retired-


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Punky


I believe they just want to make sure I am home.
You have made several references to idea that I am not on the task
force radar.
Obviously I am if they are if they are coming over.
This might seem even stranger to you that they told me this but they
told me an officer would be with them on their next visit. Maybe that
is a kind way of telling me not to have anything half cooked in the
oven when they get here. They also told me they are bringing things
to
show me to see if I recognize them.
I paid all my bills a month in advance just in case something goes
wrong.

You have been implying on the posts that you know what is going on in
the investigation.
You have also stated the case is far beyond solvable and that the
task
force has went into a next generation documentation organization
mode.
Is it safe for me to say that you are saying the task force has
stopped
all investigations?
Gray loved the spotlight and the new investigators seem to want to
stay
out of it. It was made public that Gray was investigating Gary but
for
some reason Gary was the one suspect he chose not to make his name
public. You do realize Detective Gray was very well acquainted with
Gary Smentowski? Gray knows my mother in law from 1973. Gray accepted
my mother in laws claim that I have a vendetta against my in laws.
Gray
called Gary by his nickname "Punky". Detective Gray also acknowledged
that Punky had demons.


In a message dated 1/13/2012 3:13:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Well Les-that is out of the ordinary of police procedure-and to give
you notice of when they where going to show up-to me says it is not
that important--but then i have no idea of what you have told
them--so
i won't even guess where this is going-Good Luck-I hope this all
goes
the way you want it too


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Detectives


This is pertaining to the OCCK case obviously.
Based on what I have told them and what they know as fact so far and
what I have read about other cases I believe they have enough to
arrest
me if they choose. This may be in the form of obstruction of
justice
or
something similar. However my hope is that they don't try to
discourage
others from coming forward that have information by arresting me. I
obviously can't tell you the specific information they would use as
a
parameter to arrest me. They are well aware that I want an attorney
before I share any more information that may or may not implicate me
for criminal charges.


In a message dated 1/13/2012 2:28:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
Les why would they want to arrest you-??


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy7Unlimited <[e-mail]>
To: bingotank <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 1:47 pm
Subject: Detectives


I will share this with you but if you post it, it will be the
last

time.
Investigators are coming to my home Tuesday between 8am and 4 pm.
They
may have a search warrant based on some signals I have
received. It
is
possible but unlikely they will have an arrest warrant which
obviously
means I won't be posting for awhile. I have also shared this
with
Kevin.
May peace be with you. Les.

[Helen Dagner]

So where is this all going? It is going to show you the pattern from 9years of being harass by Les-Kdogg and the other Old and new yahoo group -Now their latest -is to let me know they where called by the Oakland County Grand Jury to tell this unbelievable story-does that mean they did speak to the Grand Jury? I haven't a clue-but they sure have gone through a lot to make me believe they have-I never asked any one in LE if they have ...because it doesn't matter to me-but I have asked if (Punky) was a person of interest and I was told ...after they stopped laughing-that no he is not--

[Helen Dagner]

I have talked with Kevin about Les' brother-in-law- recently and he told me-that Les had nothing=that everything he has said-just could not be proven-The search that Gray and Anger did a few years back-turned up nothing-The photo Les said he saw-could not be found-Les had the wrong death date for his Ex Brother-In Law-and it just goes on and on and on...

[Helen Dagner]

No I am not taking any email posts on this thread--In fact I deleted them all,with out reading them-Look, some of these Topix posters do believe in God-and when they get over their thrill post-it will come to them-that it is wrong to bear false witness against anyone,and there is consequence for doing this-right now they are riding high-but even Karma will catch up with them in due time,just like it did with Terrie,Cathy,kdogg.Les and Judi &,C-W-W-and the other posters who have done the same over there- Today was a beautiful day and a Sunday-now what kind of people, would stay indoors and spend that time-seeing how they could create a diversion. for the Occk case-? There you have your answer!