***'Winter's Fear' Returns on YouTube with Helen'

[Helen Dagner]

Lucy In The Sky With Diamond (You can listen to the Music on Video-16

Jill Robinson's favorite song-when she was abducted ...It made her feel Free..Her body was found Dec.26,1976..along the side of Interstate 75 in Troy...she was now Free...and 35 yrs years later her killer-still-walks free...

The Beatles
Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
Writer, lead vocal: John Lennon


Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
Cellophane flowers of yellow and green,
Towering over your head.
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she's gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds...

Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
Where rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies,
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,
That grow so incredibly high.
Newspaper taxis appear on the shore,
Waiting to take you away.
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds,
And you're gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds...

Picture yourself on a train in a station,
With plasticine porters with looking glass ties,
Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle,
The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds... In Helen's Own Words - Part 2

Helen's first contact with Tom Robinson (Jill's dad) about John, her first contact with police over the OCCK details given from John, excerpt from Jill's favorite song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and confirmed by a cousin, conceptual view of Hunter Maple Complex from 1977 where Tim was abducted and it's distinct shape from John's map. the various police departments listed on John's maps, parts of John's interview with police from FOIA docs, the inconclusive search for John's passport records and the inquiry of the first interview with John from 1977 with no passport reference back then, the book Wolf in Sheep's Clothing by Tommy McIntyre lend to John from Helen, an excerpt from the book that includes an interview with the first eyewitness account to Tim's abduction and the description of the man talking to Tim standing near a blue Gremlin.

[Helen Dagner]

In Helen's Own Words - Part 3

Mystery youtuber 'MJH1922' promotes Helen's videos on his official playlist, the first visit of Birmingham police to John's apartment, John's list of stolen goods from his apartment including 115 books that were pawned locally in downtown Alpena, more details of the hanging wall art piece missing from McKinney's murder/gallery including color display from memory, inconclusive results from John's polygraph test in 2009 in Georgia from FOIA docs, the fallacy that the police presented for years about a coincidence surrounding Helen that caused the lack of investigation taken right from FOIA docs, how this has impacted the investigation for 20 years and still counting, interview with John's sister from 1992 and in contrast to what she has written on the internet in later years, interesting findings of the sketch of the Mark lookalike from Chris Busch murder/suicide with what appears to be someone's initials, "JH", and some unique cursive style to John's maps.

[Helen Dagner]

***** Pick up and Drop Off Maps By John Hastings

[Helen Dagner]

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[Helen Dagner]

1976
THE FIRST 2 VICTIMS DISAPPEAR
Feb. 15: Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale, left his mother at an American Legion Hall on Livernois near 9 Mile to go home and watch a movie on television. A pedestrian found him four days later in a shopping center parking lot at 10 Mile and Greenfield in Southfield. He had been raped and smothered.
Dec. 22: Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak, ran away after arguing with her mother about chores. Her bicycle was found the next day behind a hobby store on Woodward Avenue. Her body was found four days later on the snowy shoulder of northbound I-75 just north of Big Beaver in Troy. She died of a 12-gauge shotgun blast to the head.
1977
TASK FORCE FORMED WHEN TWO MORE CHILDREN VANISH
Jan. 2: Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley, had gone to a 7-Eleven store on 12 Mile near Greenfield in Berkley to buy a teen magazine. A mailman found her body 19 days later in a snow-covered ditch along Bruce Lane, a dead-end street near 13 Mile and Telegraph in Franklin. She had been smothered.
Jan. 22: Oakland County police departments, the sheriff and Michigan State Police mobilize a task force to investigate the killings. A task force member works below. A $100,000 reward eventually is offered for the arrest of the killer.
Jan. 25: Flint police arrest Gregory Greene, 27, of Flint on charges of sexually assaulting children. He tells investigators that an associate — Christopher Busch, 26, of Bloomfield Township — killed Mark Stebbins. Both men pass state police polygraph exams. Greene is convicted and sentenced to life in prison for assaulting boys. Busch, son of a General Motors executive, receives probation for assaulting boys in four counties.
March 16: Timothy King, 11, of Birmingham, had borrowed 30 cents from his sister to buy candy at a nearby drugstore near Maple and Woodward Avenue. A clerk saw him leave through a rear door into a parking lot. His body was discovered six days later in a ditch along Gill Road south of 8 Mile in Livonia. He had been raped and suffocated.
A shopper tells police she saw a boy with a skateboard in the drugstore parking lot talking to a man near a late-model blue Gremlin. The task force circulates a sketch of the suspect.
March 23: Authorities speculate that the killer is someone children trust, like a doctor, priest or police officer. The crimes terrify parents and cause police to troll gay bars and stop hundreds of Gremlin drivers.
April: Detroit criminal psychiatrist Dr. Bruce Danto receives a letter from a man named Allen, who says he lives with the killer. But Allen fails to show up for a meeting at a gay bar and Danto concludes he has been murdered by the child killer.
1978
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES WITHOUT RESOLUTION
Nov. 20: Ex-suspect Christopher Busch, 27, found dead of a .22-caliber rifle shot to the head in his bedroom at his parents' Bloomfield Township home. The death is ruled a suicide. Police find a pencil drawing of a screaming boy pinned to a bedroom wall, right. Three decades later, police conclude that the boy looks like Mark Stebbins.
Dec. 15: Task force shuts down after $2-million probe and 20,000 tips. "The fact that we did not solve the crime is on the minds of everybody, but at least we can sleep at night knowing we did the best job we could," says State Police Lt. Robert Robertson, the task force coordinator.
1999
INVESTIGATION RESUMES IN RECLUSE, WYO.
Aug. 31: Oakland County authorities remove hair, bone and tissue from the exhumed body of David Norberg in Recluse, Wyo., to see whether his DNA matches hair found on a victim. The former Warren autoworker and child killer suspect moved to Wyoming in 1980 and died in a car crash in 1981. His widow alerts authorities after finding a silver cross inscribed with the name "Kristine." Kristine Mihelich's aunt recalls under hypnosis that her niece had an identical necklace. But FBI lab tests fail to find a DNA match.
2005
TASK FORCE REACTIVATES USING MODERN FORENSICS
Feb. 18: State detectives restart child killer task force after a 26-year hiatus.
Nov. 30: Task force says FBI failed to match DNA from four men — two of them living — with hair found on one of the victims. It said the results, though disappointing, don't clear the suspects. It said the hair could have fallen off an ambulance attendant or medical examiner.
2006
INVESTIGATION TURNS TO ACCUSED PEDOPHILE SUSPECT
Dec. 11: Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy says Theodore Lamborgine, 65, of Parma Heights, Ohio, is "our most promising suspect" in the child killings. But the task force downplays her comment. Lamborgine is accused of operating a pedophile ring in Detroit's Cass Corridor. He later pleads guilty to 14 sex assaults and is sentenced to three life prison terms rather than accept a plea deal to cut his sentence to 15 years but require him to take a polygraph exam in the child killer case.
2007
TASK FORCE REVISITS AN ORIGINAL CHILD KILLER SUSPECT
July 31: Task force launches probe after hearing that Southfield polygrapher Lawrence Wasser supposedly confided to another examiner that a man who turned out to be Christopher Busch confessed in a private polygraph test in the mid-1970s to being the child killer. Wasser denies the claim.
Aug. 23: Task force detective says investigators have found an overlooked hair sample that was left on one of the victims. It will be compared with the DNA of 12 potential suspects.
2008
EVIDENCE FROM BLOOMFIELD TOWNSHIP SUSPECT EXAMINED
June 10: The FBI says DNA from Busch and several other suspects doesn't match DNA in hair found on victim.
Oct. 29: Detectives search Busch's former home in Bloomfield Towship for dog hair and other trace evidence to try to match what was found on the victims. Results of the search are never revealed.
2009
LAB FINDS DNA MATCH BETWEEN SUSPECT AND KRISTINE MIHELICH
March 5: The FBI says its lab technicals have made a mitochondrial DNA match between James Gunnels, 47, of Kalamazoo and a hair found on Kristine Mihelich. Investigators say Gunnels was sexually assaulted by Busch and later socialized with Busch and Greene. Gunnels rode in Busch’s car many times but says he didn’t know Kristine or how his hair might have gotten onto her. Mitochrondrial DNA match isn’t as precise as nuclear DNA match.
2011
GRAND JURY PROBES COLD CASES INCLUDING CHILD KILLINGS
July 14: Oakland County officials say a citizens grand jury convened in late May.
2012
VICTIM'S FAMILY SUES FOR INFORMATION
April 23: Detroit attorney Paul Hughes files a $100-million federal lawsuit on behalf of Deborah Jarvis against Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, Sheriff Michael Bouchard and state police investigators, accusing them of stonewalling victims' families. Hughes, Jarvis and their anonymous tipster named Bob want the U.S. Department of Justice to take over the probe. Cooper and Bouchard accuse Hughes and Bob of exploiting Jarvis' grief.
SOURCES: Archives from Detroit Free Press, Detroit News, Associated Press, Downtown Birmingham-Bloomfield Magazine and documents Barry King obtained from the Michigan State Police
PHOTOS BY DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF PHOTOGRAPHERS, FILE PHOTOS, ASSOCIATED PRESS, STATE POLICE AND COUNTY FILE IMAGES

[Helen Dagner]

Part 2

Jill Robinson's mom, details of argument with Jill, father Tom Robinson, locations of Jill sightings, details of Jill's Bike and locations, and Spidey's testimony.

*Part # 3

Jill Robinson, Jill's premonition of being shot, Helen's description of Jill's books & Jill's favorite song, Kristine Mihelich murder, Kristine's mom describes her going to buy a magazine. mailman discovers body, LE Brooks Patterson, Helen's description of Kristine's clothes base on John's description and later confirmed by police photo.

*Part 9

Tom Robinson’s complaints on the OCCK investigation and the lack of uniting the families to find commonality, LE Senior Robert Robertson’s approach of keeping the families isolated, Helen documents the 3 other families getting together in 2009, Jill seeing counseling over her premonition of a man killing her and possibly a link, Karol Robinson complains about their LE contact not even knowing the case, art dealer John McKinney’s murder and if it relates, Helen’s find of John’s family having connections to McKinney, description of the wall hanging piece of art stolen during McKinney’s murder with more details than ever revealed before by the convenience of seeing it in John’s apartment in 1992.

* Lucy In The Sky With Diamond (You can listen to the Music on Video-16

Jill Robinson's favorite song-when she was abducted ...It made her feel Free..Her body was found Dec.26,1976..along the side of Interstate 75 in Troy...she was now Free...and 35 yrs years later her killer-still-walks free...

The Beatles
Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
Writer, lead vocal: John Lennon


Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
Cellophane flowers of yellow and green,
Towering over your head.
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she's gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds...

Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
Where rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies,
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,
That grow so incredibly high.
Newspaper taxis appear on the shore,
Waiting to take you away.
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds,
And you're gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds...

Picture yourself on a train in a station,
With plasticine porters with looking glass ties,
Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle,
The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds... In Helen's Own Words - Part 2

Helen's first contact with Tom Robinson (Jill's dad) about John, her first contact with police over the OCCK details given from John, excerpt from Jill's favorite song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and confirmed by a cousin, conceptual view of Hunter Maple Complex from 1977 where Tim was abducted and it's distinct shape from John's map. the various police departments listed on John's maps, parts of John's interview with police from FOIA docs, the inconclusive search for John's passport records and the inquiry of the first interview with John from 1977 with no passport reference back then, the book Wolf in Sheep's Clothing by Tommy McIntyre lend to John from Helen, an excerpt from the book that includes an interview with the first eyewitness account to Tim's abduction and the description of the man talking to Tim standing near a blue Gremlin.


* ***** *JILL ROBINSON
Description: Age 12, of Royal Oak, 5 feet tall, 100 pounds with brown hair and hazel eyes.

Last seen: Dec. 22, 1976, at a hobby store on Woodward in Royal Oak around 7:30 p.m. She had run away from home after an argument with her mother.


Found: At 8:45 a.m. Dec. 26, 1976, near I-75 north of Big Beaver in Troy.


Cause of death: A shotgun blast to the head. There were no signs of sexual assault.


Clues: Her body appeared to have been cleaned before it was laid in the snow.
* The police thought she was likely a run away, and would turn up eventually. As a result the case wasn't worked as an abduction right away. The day after her disappearance, her bicycle turned up behind a hobby store on Main Street in that city. Still the police thought she was likely a run away, and weren't too worried about her. On the day after Christmas December 26, Jill finally turned up. Her body was found along the side of Interstate 75 near Big Beaver Road in Troy.

Just like Mark it appeared she had been taken care of by her killer. The only difference was that she suffered a twelve gage shot-gun blast to her face. It would appear her fear of being shot had came true. The left side of her head was blown clean off. She was fully clothed and still wearing her backpack. Despite being shot it appeared she died from shock and hemmorhage due to the shotgun blast rather than the actual wound itself. It's thought that possibly Jill told her abductor about her fear, so the killer specifically chose this method of killing her. This change in method confused the police and at first made them uncertain if this was the work of Mark's killer. Also there were no obvious signs that she was molested, but it's felt that the killer may have engaged in some sort of sexual act with her, possibly oral sex.

The body was placed within sight of the Troy police station, once again, laid out neatly in the snow. The dump site appeared to be chosen deliberately as a taunt by the killer. Almost daring the police to try and stop him. The grisly discovery was made by a passing motorist on his way home to share Christmas with his children. The case was handled improperly due to the original belief that Jill had been a run away, and lots of evidence in her case was lost or accidently destroyed. Neither the state police crime lab nor the sheriff's department crime lab were called to the scene.



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[Helen Dagner]

Save -Jill- ***** Pick up and Drop Off Maps By John Hastings
*The body was placed within sight of the Troy police station, once again, laid out neatly in the snow. The dump site appeared to be chosen deliberately as a taunt by the killer. Almost daring the police to try and stop him. The grisly discovery was made by a passing motorist on his way home to share Christmas with his children. The case was handled improperly due to the original belief that Jill had been a run away, and lots of evidence in her case was lost or accidentally destroyed. Neither the state police crime lab nor the sheriff's department crime lab were called to the scene *

[Helen Dagner]

Video #18

Spidey’s Testimony
Witness to Jill’s Bike

After a two-year break, HD Archives returns with more videos.

This first one details the mystery of Jill’s bike and how it came into the police possession. Using the screen name ‘Spidey’ his true story of riding Jill’s bike along with a friend has been around the internet for years but this is the first time he speaks up about the incident. Being only 9 years old at the time, he was never suppose to hang out around Woodward but he did. His mom would have killed him if she ever knew the truth even today. Him and his friend found a girl’s bike leaning against a tree in the middle of the Woodward medium unattended by anyone and decided to ride it home. After a short ride they decided that it wasn’t right and left the bike behind a building (28168 Woodward Ave.) They notified the person inside this building of the suspicious bike, which in turn this clerk called the police about it. At this time it was just a stolen bike and the importance of it was unknown until days later by anyone including the police. The police recovery of exactly where this bike was recovered was lost back then and was never really recorded correctly. In fact the very information about the bike’s recovered whereabouts in the Royal Oak newspaper days later was totally wrong. In fact the location given in the newspaper (East of Jill’s home and in downtown area) never made any real sense relative to her home and Woodward Avenue. The police didn’t know the significance of the bike until Karol Robinson came to identify it. Then the Royal Oak police turned the bike over to the Troy police. Even today the myths of where Jill’s bike was found varies as much as there are OCCK suspects. Folklore has it that the bike was even recovered by police right at Tiny Tim’s Hobby Shop at 13 Mile and Woodward, which is the most unlikely place! Had it been true, there would have been all kinds of witnesses and the case would have been solved long ago. Spidey did try to contact Detective Cory Williams in 2007 to set the record straight about Jill’s bike as he was nudged by Helen to come forward. That did not go over well though with Mr. Williams as too many years has passed for the cold case and no one cares about establishing any concrete facts about this case anyway. Old official records of where the police thought the bike was recovered in Royal Oak cannot be challenged with new information. Things simply do not work that way in police work! Plus they are still too busy chasing Ted and Chris shadows from the Cass Corridor and Fox Island connections. Does Spidey’s fingerprints really match to any type of trace on Jill’s bike? Very likely the answer is ‘Yes’ if there was ever any real forensics done on it but I guess the world will never know! Perhaps Jill’s bike was even lost in police storage through the years and the data taken from it is probably buried forever just like the victims?

[Helen Dagner]

[Helen Dagner]

Oakland County Child Killer Archives from Helen Dagner's collection.'Winter's Fear' Returns on YouTube with 18 Videos The sound is from an old radio show that was once aired in 1977

[Helen Dagner]

Video #19
Kristine’s Mom Speaks Out!
Interview With Deborah Jarvis
Part 1

HD Archives now goes directly to the heart of the matter, the victim’s family members. This is the first part of a four part series with an exclusive interview with Kristine Mihelich’s mom, Deborah Jarvis. She speaks out without holding back on anything. Listen to her talk over the frustrations with the OCCK investigation. She sets the record straight on her opinions of the OCCK investigation for the last 36 years. She tells the real objective behind the lawsuit she made against Oakland County with attorney Paul Hughes. Her personal contact and search over various lawyers and her secret informative ‘Bob’. Much of the speculation of the lawsuit in the news goes around the gossip of being some type of scam for money, which was never the real objective. She wants the case handed over to the Department of Justice and for good reason and she wants the public to know that was her motive to the lawsuit. Debbie goes into details about the many contradictions over the history of the case for the last 36 years and the snowball affects of dis-information surrounding the case and handled and passed around by the many different police departments involved. She covers the conflict of sperm found on the boys, the various locations reported where police recovered Jill’s bike, and questioning the significance of the blue Gremlin. She goes into details about the night Kristine became missing. TO BE CONTINUED

1977
TASK FORCE FORMED WHEN TWO MORE CHILDREN VANISH
Jan. 2: Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley, had gone to a 7-Eleven store on 12 Mile near Greenfield in Berkley to buy a teen magazine. A mailman found her body 19 days later in a snow-covered ditch along Bruce Lane, a dead-end street near 13 Mile and Telegraph in Franklin. She had been smothered.

[Helen Dagner]