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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 22:36:06 GMT -5
Pat, I think this is the post your talking about.I do not see any set of numbers connected with it~*Helen this individual is contacting me, he seems ok, he just does'nt seem to make too much sense to me. He asked what I knew about a" Berkley cop shooting himself twice and how could he have? He brought up that other postors felt on one site that it was impossible. He also wanted to show me his dream car, and that he could only afford 2,500.00 for it . He sent me the e-bay information, he wanted me to try and talk the guy down(price wise) I am assuming, like i knew how to do that! but when i tried to find his "dream-car" on e-bay from the code he gave me, I could'nt come up with it, ?? And the strangest thing is how he found me- I was surf'n around on an "Avatar site my daughter goes on sometime's, and here he is now this time Posting to me as- Greyfield. It was I think PIG HEAD or something last time he sent something, I did post to him first-last June (something like that) asking him what's up? and basically hello. I heard from him once-twice in November when we discussed profile pic's you had showing,and i basically never heard from him again -til last night he showed right up posting in the same avatar site! he even made himself an avatar "BOY" (male) black hair- blue eyes on it, and kept posting that he wanted to talk about the o.c.c.k case but was'nt sure my site would be a good place to discuss it- Now! tell me that is strange how he found me and made a boy avatar, and his profile, at the same time i made my girl avatar on the same site! chatting all the while. I hope you can understand all this Helen- he's well kind of strange that's all I know.And why would I know if a Berkley cop could shoot himself twice with his own gun? Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 22:38:14 GMT -5
Helen,DID THE OCCK KNOW~the Hines Park Taskforce?? Kim-Note-I think so...
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 22:42:43 GMT -5
Helen,He was a lawyer with Dyer, Meek, Ruegsegger and Bullard. Mel
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 22:45:30 GMT -5
Helen, I didn't map quest it out, but as a ballpark 6-7 miles from John's..but it's an easy direct drive. It's about 3-4 miles from John's house to 15 and Woodward, then 3 miles straight south. Or you can get there using any of the mile roads that hook to Woodward. I believe Mr. Robinson taught at the OCC Orchard Ridge Campus...at 12 Mile and Orchard Lake, roughly about 8 miles straight down 12 mile Rd.. The Southfield Library is a few miles away from 12 & Woodward but it's not on either of those roads. It would seem a little unusual that he used that library when there were 2 nice ones closer. I think I remember mapquesting out addresses on Woodward last year with you, because they were all close to there, but I'm not sure we found a tie to John that way? Hmmm........Let it brew for awhile and maybe a light will go off..;>)JJ
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 22:48:54 GMT -5
Helen, OMG Helen. So this is the one that gave John an alibi? Busted for fraud insurance related titles in 2000? And the cops don't believe that John made fake passports? The Pontiac police think that it is a respectable family that can't do no wrong? After 21 years Helen, I think it's time for someone out there to pull their heads out of their a--!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 22:57:27 GMT -5
Helen, I wish you would update this."The original Oakland County Child Killer Task Force at one point included more than 300 law enforcement personnel from dozens of agencies, with headquarters in a vacant Beverly Hills elementary school.
The task force was disbanded a few years later, but police departments continued to receive reports and tips, even decades after the slayings.
Last week, all of the yellowing files and nearly 100,000 tips collected were moved to the state police's Metro North post in Oak Park. Photos of an old blue Gremlin, once believed to be the killer's car, and old composite photos of suspects, hang on the walls there now.
Theories abound - on the Internet a man named "John" is identified as the killer. Others suggest it was a priest or a man posing as a police officer. Another points at a Troy engineering student.
In 1999, the body of autoworker David Norberg was exhumed from a Wyoming grave so his DNA could be compared with that of a hair found on one of the children's bodies. It wasn't a match.
Gray is hoping all of the old files can be collected in a centralized computer database similar to those used by the Drug Enforcement Administration and the FBI, ensuring the search for the killer continues.
In the last three decades, life has moved on for everyone involved. Detectives have retired. Robert Robertson, 71, a great-grandfather, is a snowbird now who spends his winters in Florida and summers in Greenville, Mich.
Life didn't stop for the victim's families, either. Some of them, like Ruth Stebbins - Mark Stebbins' mother - have died, never seeing justice done." Ken-Note-Yes,this is and old one,someone should update it....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 23:03:39 GMT -5
Hi Helen, Got your emails, but I’m way too busy to worry about the OCCK right now, and I am real sick of the BOB deal. If I get over it all,I will let you know.Mike
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 5, 2012 23:09:41 GMT -5
Helen – nothing new, lol. So “Secret Informant” now has a “name” that may or may not be “Bob” who may or may not know something about the OCCK, but the MSP, JC, etc…won’t give him the information “HE” wants before “HE” spills the beans.
Frivolous. Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 7, 2012 10:27:41 GMT -5
The Oakland Press (Pontiac). May 5.
Lawsuit seeks answers in child killing case
The mother of one of four children slain by the person known as the "Oakland County Child Killer" in 1976 and 1977 has sued state and county officials, claiming they've withheld information that could lead to solving the murders.
The lawsuit also asks for $100 million.
We'd like answers, as would all who lived through those troubled times as children and adults. But we question if any answers will be forthcoming as a result of a lawsuit.
The person or persons abducted, held, killed and dumped four children, two boys and two girls: Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale; Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley; Timothy King, 11, of Birmingham; and Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak.
Despite the creation of a huge task force of local and state law enforcement agencies, backed with federal funding, no one was brought to justice.
The lawsuit was filed in Federal District Court in the name of Deborah Jarvis, the mother of Kristine Mihelich. It claims Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, Sheriff Michael Bouchard and Michigan State Police detectives blocked relatives of the victims from obtaining information. It asks the U.S. Department of Justice to take over the investigation.
Behind that are claims through Jarvis and her attorney that an informant and his associates have spent 5,000 hours and $100,000 in recent years investigating the cases on their own.
The informant contends that other children were abducted by the same person or people and either killed or never seen again. They include: Kimberly King, missing in 1979 from Warren; Jane Allan, missing in 1976 in Royal Oak; Kim Larrow, missing in 1981 in Canton Township; and Donna Serra, missing in 1972 from Warren.
Jarvis said she has had hundreds of phone calls from the informant. Neither she nor her attorney have met him.
The defendant in her lawsuit contends the woman's attorney and the informant are exploiting her with a conspiracy theory, and that the informant should present his findings to law enforcement officials.
According to Jarvis' attorney, the informant needs one item of information from official reports to identify the killer. The law enforcement officials have refused to provide it.
It's possible that a lawsuit will produce some answers. but so would some frank discussion, including that hidden informant.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 8, 2012 20:53:26 GMT -5
No time to answer your emails-I'm busy tracking BOB's Info-So I'm having to read a lot of info posted by Crime nuts-and what I am finding is all these Jokers must Ping off of each other-as they all have the same-incorrect Info!!! But I do have some Interesting story's-that are facts about this Occk Investigation- I will get them up soon-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 9, 2012 17:01:12 GMT -5
Helen,I just heard that Det. Angers son is involved in this Hoax,Is that true? Barb-Note-My lips are sealed....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 9, 2012 17:06:11 GMT -5
Helen, are you going to post where those other bodies are. Max-Note- Well there is not going to be any bodies there-but Legend,does give some locations-I have posted this info many times-I'm going to hold off until BOB gives his info-as I don't want him pinging off our info-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 10, 2012 0:00:34 GMT -5
Helen, Your site is extremely large and going over the whole thing is going to take time. I am sorry that you have had to deal with the type of people who have caused you and others a great deal of pain. If you notice in my post prior to asking you questions, I think you can understand how I feel about people like that. Yes, I am a newbie to John's story. I lived through this as a child and when these dorks in charge of this case said they had a few suspects, it peaked my interest to see what was out there on this very old and sad case and that is how I happened across your site. I have enjoyed reading about this story and I guess it just makes me angry that you have a confession from a person and it seems you are not being listened to yet some convicted liar, child molester, murderer and so on is believed by police. It is just a crying shame that that type of person is believed more than a regular citizen. Makes a person wonder with these types of people in charge how safe we really are.... I will continue to look over your site and try to find all of those matches, it is just going to take me a lot of time. James
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 14, 2012 0:12:59 GMT -5
In a prepared statement, Jarvis detailed being "treated like suspects" — even "taunted" and "threatened" by law enforcement, "all under the direction of Jessica Cooper."
~ I sure want to see proof of this claim-as it simply is not true!
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