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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2012 12:30:40 GMT -5
My god Helen! It has become a 12 ring circus over there!!!! Scott-Note-I take it you mean over to the Cesspool -Topix Yes they use to have 10 readers -now they have 12
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2012 12:33:58 GMT -5
Investigative journalist J. Reuben Appelman is working on a book regarding the case. Murder City Shakedown is in its final stages. kck.st/ksRdK9 wakeup 11 months ago Investigative journalist J. Reuben Appelman is working on a book regarding the case. Murder City Shakedown is in its final stages. Right? 208 Backers $15,270 pledged of $15,000 goal 0 seconds to go Funding Successful This project successfully raised its funding goal on June 15, 2011.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2012 13:32:57 GMT -5
Quote from Cass Kid -
"You want info? Here is some smart ass. That woman who called her late at night for a year and told her awful things really got to her. She didn’t sleep on those nights it made her cry to hear those things and tried to help that woman and she did help her. She wanted to have her part in my mom’s book."
This must be Terri? I remember you telling people that she will stalk whoever she makes contact with. Tries to play up on people's sympathy and she is very good at that. Boy you sure had that right! With her many changes of screen names and her many story changes, it sounds like she didn't want to be tied to a book. She can't change her story now as her name is tied to it but she can still change screen names and just deny it's her. XXXX
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2012 22:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 30, 2012 10:22:02 GMT -5
Your Email posts will have to wait until tonight,I haven't even had a chance to read them...sorry
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2012 3:15:28 GMT -5
I have No Idea who posted this-However here it is-I am posting it because I had a lot of emails and phone calls from Police officers in other states last night--and they all wanted to know what I thought of the Busch Saga-I was really surprised to learn that two different Retired cops ,are including Busch in their books-How ever not because of the Oakland County Child news Blitz on him-But because of his pervert activity-Here is the post -someone sent in on The Busch Saga--(There is something different about Busch saga than all of the past suspect sagas. Every time they sensationalized a new suspect they never seemed to offer compelling evidence. I did not get built up to be let down.
When the news of Busch broke it hit the news harder. Then I was disappointed to find out unlike other suspects the news breaks were not LE driven. That was a let down. You know how Anger and Gray used to call a news conference if someone farted.
Then I heard a victim saw a picture of Tim King in Chris Busch’s car. With no supporting information ever stemming from that revelation I am starting to believe that the picture was not true, unsubstantiated, overstated, or is simply an urban legend. This claim should be plastered all over the internet with other information from that same victim and all the circumstances surrounding the picture and Chris Busch.
When a friend called me and told me that a DNA match had been made between a Busch victim and a hair found on one of the OCCK victims my heart raced. I thought it was biggest news in Michigan history. Then I looked it up on the internet and read the match was not an exact match and covered 1% of the Caucasian population. I was depressed. By the way that is over double the general population that has AB- blood type. A call to the Red Cross will tell you they have no problem receiving enough AB- blood. Finding a match to the hair is over twice as easy.
When I heard Busch had a sketch of a victim in his room it raised my hopes that they could make a connection. After looking at the sketch I just felt the sketch was being sensationalized. I see no resemblance and the best anyone can say is Mark’s brother says it’s a match so it must be a match. Did it ever occur to anyone that Mark’s brother may be the worst person to ask if he sees a resemblance?
I have heard several versions that Gunnels passed then failed polygraphs, failed and failed, tried to deceive the first one and failed second one, failed the first one then tried to deceive the second one. It makes the whole story sound twisted.
I heard that the Kings know for sure that the killer did not drive a blue Gremlin. However the investigators ignored the Kings and treated their belief that the killer drove a blue Gremlin as the biggest evidence in the history of the case. And yes driving a blue Gremlin is at least 10 times less probable than matching the hair. Now the Busch theory supporters want to say yes the witness saw a blue compact car with a white stripe but she actually saw a Vega. So now we have conflicting stories that there was and there wasn’t a compact blue car used to abduct Tim King. Then I saw a picture of Busch’s Vega on the internet and there was no white stripe.
I heard that Busch and Hastings were neighbors, 400 ft apart. An excellent connector. Then I did Yahoo driving directions and they are not even in the same neighborhood. They are a half mile drive apart and the best route you have to drive on at least four streets to go from one house to the other. Another disappointment.
Forgive me for not believing anything I hear that connects Busch to any OCCK victims. Busch theory supporters have twisted and exaggerated the facts more than any other camps. I am starting feel like the Busch theory supporters are the little boys that cry wolf. The sad part is the that Busch theory supporters may be absolutely correct in guessing that Busch is the killer but they are not being even slightly honest with themselves or others in their assessments of the probabilities. Human nature is remarkable.) *Note-If anyone knows who or where this was posted-Let me know-Thanks~ This was originally written by Notles in February on page 448. ~At Topix
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2012 4:42:29 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2012 23:36:29 GMT -5
It blows my mind that a tiny city like Ferndale, all of 3.9 square miles, could have three homicides committed by three separate serial killers in a 10 year period. First Mark - still unsolved, then Helen Dutcher - compliments of Carl Eugene Watts, and then Kenny Meyer, who was killed by Ronald Lloyd Bailey. Plus, there was another attempted murder and abduction of another 12 year old boy in 1979, but the boy got away and the cops caught the suspect. I think that suspect was later cleared by the task force. Dave
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 0:42:55 GMT -5
Helen,who was in the neighborhood first John or Chris Busch-Busch family moved there in January 1970. Prior address was 2860 Clark, Detroit. Sold this house in July 1979. The parents continued to live in Birmingham area until 2002--when they probably moved out east to be near their only living son. Johns parents bought their houses (that were side by side) one in Dec.1958 and the other in Aug.1972
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 0:48:21 GMT -5
I bet you're right, Helen. If I'm reading that case right, the person was trying to point out how easy it would be for someone to get out of Ardmore Acres. In other words, someone tried to do the right thing by committing this person, but the person was saavy enough to get himself sprung. I would bet you $$ that one of those AHs was at Ardmore for a time. Sex offenders were routinely placed in mental hospitals back then, even after being convicted of violent, violent attacks on children. I guess they thought these types could be "cured" although from the sounds of Ardmore Acres back in the day, not much curing took place. Sounds like a lot of sedation and restraint.
I wouldn't want anyone I loved to be placed in a state mental hospital--even today. Although this Ardmore Acres sounds like it was a fking hellhole, too, I guess the thought would have been that you would be exposed to fewer freaks at a private, where people had to pay to be there. And, your stay would be more "undercover" at a private, perhaps.Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 0:52:33 GMT -5
Helen,What about the center for Missing and Exploited children? John Walsh and his connections? 20/20, Primetime, The Associated Press, 60 Minutes, Dateline, 48 Hours, Center for Investigative Reporting, and many other people that would be interested in a child serial murderer that has remained untouchable--and possibly killed more? Do you mean to tell everyone that no outside or national organization would still want to hear about it or help "break the case"? /answer-That is exactly what I want to say-When the cases are solved-the News Media will be all over these cases giving the appearance they have been there all along...but in the mean time-they are Not- Interested-putting it more simply-They don't care!xxxxx...Note- Yes with all the local coverage-there was not any national coverage-I'm going to have to call a few news outlets and ask them why-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 0:58:38 GMT -5
Helen,do you have any thing else on the water tower death,i have watch the videos and was spell bound by this kids death,* Note-What John told me nearly 17 years ago...was that he had a friend who fell off a water tower-his name was Tony...and his father had designed the first Corvette {a red one}....I said well how did he fall off there...he said there where 5 of us guys up there fooling a round{I think John said two of his brother-were among the 5...He said they had made plans earlier in the day...but Tony had to sneak out-because his step- father had grounded him again...so they weren't sure he would be there...However he turned a light on in his bedroom to fake his parents out when they would return home...they would just think he was reading...and they wouldn't bother checking...because Tony never wanted to be bother when he was in his room...I asked John -why would someone sneak out just to clime a water tower?...He said...well Tony was going to buy some drugs...I remember saying to him...I thought you never did drugs...John said he didn't but the others did....I was just surprised by the conversation...because when I had first met him he told me about this kid he just hated who's father had a red Corvette...Now he was calling him a friend?...So anyway..something just didn't set right with me...and you know how woman have built in computers....So I said where you all there when he fell...and he looked down and said...I don't want to talk about this any more...so I waited a couple of days and called his mother..and asked her if she remembered the Water Tower Death...Oh yes she sid I remember it well...The whole family went to the funeral...except for John...I kept telling him he had to go..but when it came time..he just wouldn't..... Not being satisfied with that answer...I call Johns Dad in Florida...to see what he knew about this...and he said...well I didn't know my family went to the funeral...as they never told me...and that he didn't know why John told me Tony was his best friend...because in fact he was Johns youngest brothers best friend-So then I asked him what did he hear about the fall...and he said it had been so long ago-that he could just remember that he had asked his boys what happened and that John said none of them were there but they had heard-that Tony said...I can Fly want to see me...and he walked right off the Tower...I said well what was he on...and he said PCP and LSD....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 1:02:48 GMT -5
Helen, I have several friends who climbed that water tower as kids. Nice work on the Anthony Mitchell Water Tower Video. Max
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 1:15:21 GMT -5
Helen, did you ever get any more information on the death in the basement of Brother Rice school. Sue-Note,I had dozens of people working on this a few years back-and Nada thing-and they wouldn't let us look at there archives-first they told us we had to have gone to BR-then when we had a couple of guys who did belong -who went to the school-they were shot down-faster than a silver bullet-all we know-is the tunnels under the school -were very creepy and it was not unusual for disciplinary action to take place down there!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 2, 2012 1:52:27 GMT -5
Helen,According to Ann Rule in "The Stranger Beside Me", Ted Bundy's name came up and was dismissed three times as a suspect before they actually caught him.
He was good looking, charming, involved in the crisis help line and was politically active in the community. and look at the green river killer- They will get the Occk,soon as they start looking- XXxxx
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