Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 10, 2012 23:17:52 GMT -5
Helen, 15) I went over the time line from your site and checked it against the Lake Essau trip that Bush made and ck the date of the phone call saying Tim was with Busch,and here is my question and my statement,Busch would not of been in the area when Mrs. king made her statement about Tims favorite meal fried chicken,so I don't think it has anything to do with Busch as Tim was fed fried chicken with in two hours of his death,also take a look at the suicide photos of his home kitchen,he wasn't doing any cooking there even for his self. Brian
Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2012 17:43:32 GMT -5
Helen,18) You know ,I just love Lillys take on all of this (that is why I'm sending you her post from Topix.However I was surprised when she made this statement " They paraded most of the suspects out over the years but not him.' I'm sure she didn't mean to say that,as there were 9967 people of interest and since he was cleared as was John back then,why would they parade these two ?They would't,they were cleared! There was no police cover -up back then or now,the people making these posts about cover-ups just do not understand police procedure, all they know is this is the way they think it should be done & they are wrong! There is no way that the cops had an obligation to tell the public or the families or the News Media who people were that were cleared,I wish they would all do more thinking as then maybe they would get it! Thanks Helen for all you and your staff do and have done for the Oakland County Child Killer victims. I read Cathys rant and she also was wrong,you have been and are "special" in the investigation of the Occk & as I recall Cathy mention her self in several post over the years that if it had not been for you,she would not of looked into anything as she was just thinking the police were taking care of everything. Proudly sign me as one of Helen's Cult members! Jan
Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:35:12 GMT -5
Let me make this very simple for all, even Helen. I"m sorry you don't believe me Helen, but you need only ask "Keeper" and she would tell you that within about a ninety minute period I was on the phone with her, and had taken copius notes about what was said to me. I have further testified via a sworn statement the Monday before Thanksgiving of 2007; and the results of that has born fruit and further evidence in the case. I told the Truth, wanted nothing for it but peace in my soul about Tim, and when the Examiner you mentioned and his mouthpiece Attorney sought to discredit me in the Detroit News piece that ran, I then sued. They gave me a retraction. Get it, the conversation did occur in Las Vegas, the content of which has a solid chain of custody. It is simply not a factor in the equation as to whether "YOU" believe it or not.
You are a fine archivalist Helen and I give you an A+ for that in regard to your website and dedication. Honestly though, were you EVER asked to provide a sworn statement under penalty of perjury about the JH story, or is it that to this day it has just not stood up to close scrutiny ? Let me tell you M'am when you swear in as a witness in Michigan as a witness they let you know that if you commit perjury in such a case, even if nobody is ever convicted, You the witness could go to prison for life. I came at no expense to the Michigan taxpayer, told the Truth, and have a lifetime of work to back up who I am, and the acronym employers who have benefitted from my work.
You don't have to like what happened in Las Vegas, but you have to deal with it, and it's aftermath. To this day I have never said JH was not ALSO involved and have remained open to that. You on the other hand, have tried to shoot down any and every alternative that did not include JH; and which can lead any reasonable reader to the conclusion that you are no less than obsessed with him. I believe you had the big boy hamburger and conversations you claim, but it has not lead anywhere significant. I would rather think with your skills you would have tried to further link Busch to JH, given their residences being 400 ft apart as you told me. I'll take the answers whereever they come from as long as they are in fact answers, and not just theories. I assisted with one piece of the puzzle as best I could. It's just that simple. TRUEDUDE
Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:36:35 GMT -5
TruthDude-I find what you have said interesting-However-I do not think you are understanding me--I believe that YOU Be live what your saying-So I am not calling you a liar-I am just telling you-that the only way you got into court with your matter-is because you paid your own way-and because you volunteered to do this--you would of never been asked-also Do you not realize that I hardly ever mention John -only when it is absolutely necessary--and for you to say I am obsessed with John being the Occk--No I'm not--and I haven't only investigated John over the past 20 + yrs-I really gave Busch a good going over-The only reason you think I dwell on John-is because I can prove what I say about him and you can not prove even one thing about Busch--and for you to make statements questing or stating that the LE isn't doing anything about John-is just plain laughable--You do not have any clue what has or is going on-that I know for sure-And you make your post to long for me-I will have to go back and see what else you said-before I can even answer it- Helen
Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2012 1:38:18 GMT -5
Patrick-you said-the Examiner you mentioned and his mouthpiece Attorney sought to discredit me in the Detroit News piece that ran, I then sued. They gave me a retraction. Get it, the conversation did occur in Las Vegas,***Patrick-Patrick-Patri ck-even you know better that to make a statement like that-you and I both know-that they only gave you that retraction-because -you would be crazy enough to go through with the suit-even tho you were wrong--They spared there self a lot of expense and saved any bad press for there businesses-It is done all the time--I have other info on this-So I'm sorry-I told you -I believe you believe this-However I do not--Now let me tell you a little something-it was not you but me who brought the Busch name to the table--long before you ever had your revaluation-Now you have been at this for 5 yrs--and you have the guts to question me about what are they doing about John--well Patrick they have been doing and doing about John-Do you think they Flew out to Atlanta to question John about your Busch info--I hate to break it to you-but they Flew out there to question John about my Busch Info-And do you think he told another polygraph-on your info-sorry-but it was on mine-and he failed all three test-one on Mark-One on Kris and one on Jill--I told you your not up to speed on these cases--The rest of your post I couldn't even make it through-Sorry Helen