The Seedy Underbelly Occk Investigation

[Helen Dagner]

Relax Helen. I told Cyber that I would pass the message on, but did I? No. I know there is no need to. Good God, I laughed at the nerve of Cyb in saying you would have an alli in her. Who cares? I have no trust or desire to friend Cyb or Terri. BUT, I cannot let statements like, "John has been cleared," or whatever else they want to bandy about that is UNTRUE go. I don't believe either of them and I sure as hell don't want that Gina and Carl even mixed with the OCCK. That is why I wanted to clarify that THEY are nowhere near John or Busch!
As for xxxx. I found out that xxxx is someone I went to Jr. High and HS with - in fact were were friends back in the day ( and believe me that was a weird moment!). He is a nice guy who got interested in the Jonbenet thing. He likes to rile up the idiots on Topix from time to time ( and boy, he sure does!) Anyway, he asked me what I knew about Cyber because he had a distrust for her and I told him I felt Cy was deceptive, and that I would feel Cy out a bit. And it worked because Cy went from snide comments to wanting to be my friend. No deal there. And believe me Helen, I remember Kevin Rundel all too well and that won't be happening again.
Don't worry. Unless something is blatantly posted and completely untrue about our kids, I have no intention of conversations with any of those people except maybe xxxxwhen I see him at our HS reunion. J

[Helen Dagner]

March 11, 2006

Dear Cathy,

I’m really not sure where to start with all of this so let me say that I, in no way, have any desire or intention of dredging up any painful memories for you and your family – including Chris, Mark and your father. I do not seek anything other than to see a rightful and truthful end to the horror that is the Oakland County Child Killer.

You can hopefully take some comfort in the knowledge that much of my parenting has been guided by the event of your brother Tim’s abduction and murder. He certainly has never been forgotten in the Coltman family. I apologize in advance for this lengthy letter.

I need to give you some background history about me so that you can understand why I have come to be so consumed by the OCCK. I went to Harlan Elementary, Derby Jr. High and Seaholm. I graduated in 1979 and headed to Michigan State . I knew both Chris and Mark – graduated with Chris. I started dating Dave in October of 1976 (during Field Day actually) and eventually married him in Xxxx We have been married for XX years. We have xxx xxxx xxxx . We have lived in Xxxxxx , Illinois (a VERY small town) since 19XX, the last XX years at the same address. I tell you this in hopes of assuring you that I am completely stable and level headed.

On March 16, 1977, I had plans to go to the Ice Capades with Dave and his father’s family. Dave’s parents were divorced. Dave came to pick me up around 4:45 – 5:00. We went back to his house at xxxx Madison to wait for his father to come get us. Tim C was NOT home when Dave left to pick me up, but was supposed to be home before 4:45 to get ready. Tim C. was with your Tim and another boy (can’t recall the name now, but have it somewhere) playing near Hunter Maple Pharmacy. Anyway, Tim C. was home when we returned to the house and we all left for the Ice Capades between 5:15 and 5:30.

On March 17, 1977, during lunch break – we had gone to McD’s – it came across the radio that your brother was missing. When I returned to school (BUNA was going on), the word was out. The rest of the days were a blur. Surely you must know how deeply every parent was affected during those days as well as the young who were confused and scared and the older (teenagers) who had a first dose of the golden dome of Birmingham starting to crumble.

I don’t remember how many days later, but at some point, Dave told me Tim C. had been with your brother that afternoon. Several days later – after the boys’ names were published in the paper (for which there was a complaint filed somewhere), but before, I believe, your Tim was discovered, a phone call came to the Coltman home. At the time I was under the impression that someone had called Tim C. to talk about Tim K. I only know this because Dave called me the same night (?) or maybe the next and told me that our conversation was being recorded by the police and why. I think the tap stayed on for 3 days, but there wasn’t another call.
Dave’s mother, Polly Coltman, had been in touch with your mom early on. She knew the boys had been playing together near Hunter Maple Pharmacy. In fact, I think your mother even called Polly the evening of the 16th looking for Tim K. I know for a fact that the OCCK killings haunted and puzzled Polly for the rest of her life. Often, while visiting us, she would tell me the events of March 16, 1977 from her perspective as she was convinced she had seen the man who abducted your brother. This is how her story went.

Around 4:00 p.m. it occurred to her that with everyone being out of the house that night, it would be a good time to color her hair. She drove up to the HM Pharmacy, parked in back, and entered through the back door. If you remember, there was a narrow hallway you had to walk through before it opened up to the pharmacy area in the back. She was walking down the hall and bumped into a man in his late 20’s or early 30’s (she thought) and he seemed startled by the incident. He stood there for an extended period of time looking at her before she moved past. He had dark hair and she thought sideburns – but does not remember them being the big mutton chopped sideburns described in the composite sketch. She felt unsettled about the incident, bought her hair dye and drove home.


At 4:30 she started watching out the front window as she was expecting Tim C. to come home and get ready for the Ice Capades. He still wasn’t home when it was time for Dave to get me so she sat at the window waiting and watching. She noticed a light colored car drive by (NOT A GREMLIN) because it was the second time it had driven by slowly while she sat waiting. So, she watched it turn right on Hunter. From her kitchen she followed it until it turned on the next street. She couldn’t see it for a time, but then she spotted it slowly driving by Poppleton Park , out o Madison and back in front of the house. By this time, she was standing at the front door –with it open – and as the car again passed in font of the house, she blatantly stared at the driver. He turned and looked at her too. When they made eye contact, she realized it was the same man she had run into at the pharmacy. She felt sure he realized this too. Tim C. showed up moments later, Polly felt relieved and let the whole thing go until the next day when your brother’s disappearance was reported. She contacted the police, told them her experience and was never contacted again.

She never wavered from that story and every few years would call the police to see if they wanted her story again.

In 1997, Polly was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer (30 days from diagnosis to death.) I was blessed with the gift of time and was able to spend a good deal of her last days caring for and talking with her. There were times of lucidity as well as times of confusion and sadly, much pain. One night, in an “out of sorts”, incoherent state, she thought she was in her basement and she asked me to help her “move boxes” to get her things in order. I did. As I sat with her, she would describe a box location and tell me what it was and where to move it – I would verbally tell her I was doing it and then she would go to another box. There was one box in particular she wanted only me to handle. She asked me not to lose it and not to let anyone forget about its importance. I readily agreed and promised. Whatever it was important.

After she died, we (her sons and daughters – in – law) were cleaning out her home (which was in Ann Arbor .) My sister-in-law was going through boxes in the basement – pitching most of the stuff because it was moldy. She came upon a box of newspapers that had been saved and asked Tim C. what to do. He looked through them, discovering they were all about the OCCK and decided he would pitch them. He felt he had lived through that era and didn’t want to be reminded. It occurred to me at that moment that perhaps that was Polly’s important box and I wanted to keep it, but Tim C. was adamant that it should be pitched and I couldn’t hurt him by insisting it be saved. He has his own issues with what happened in 1977. However, it came to me with absolute clarity that Polly wanted her desire to see closure to your brother’s murder carried on. And I had promised her that I would make sure of it.

In 2003, I discovered Helen’s story on the web. I pondered it. I was intrigued by it. But, I dismissed it. In 2004, I again did a search, found her original story again and the added updates which made me think that maybe there was more to it. It took me about 6 months to get up the guts to contact her – which I did through a post on the Dreambook site. I called myself Casual Observer. I didn’t reveal anything that I knew until I was sure that she was not, in fact, writing a book. Helen contacted me privately and started sharing information from her notes and while I can’t remember the exact piece that startled me, it allowed me to share Polly’s story more in-depth. I never revealed anyone’s name (including mine) other than Tim C.’s first name. I know that names can be found easily through email addresses, but Helen never once referred to me or any of my family members by name – even Tim. One of the pieces that rang true was John’s lack of ownership of a blue Gremlin and that he had been startled by a woman in the pharmacy. From there I asked Helen if John had ever called victim’s families. She said he had and she said that she had actually taken a list of people he had called from his apartment. I asked her to email me the list – she sent some of the following names : Bruce Danto, Chief Tobias, Mr. Robinson, and a few others and Xxxxxx Xxxxxx. Now, here is the odd part. I told her that Tim C. had received a strange phone call concerning your brother in the days after he was abducted, but the truth was that phone call actually came to Dave. Here’s how I know this.

About 13 years ago, Tim C. and his wife were visiting us. I don’t know how it started, but a discussion of your brother came up and it was clear that Tim C. had never mentioned the OCCK to his wife. . . and now she wanted to know. Tim C. has very scattered memories of the day your Tim was abducted and he has a selective memory of what his mother told him and refuses to acknowledge that the incident has had any lasting effect on him – although I can assure it does starting with his choice to never discuss it. BUT, he had a few beers that night and so was prompted to tell the story of the phone call with amazing clarity and an unspoken directive that it would be the last time he ever discussed it.

The phone rang one evening somewhere around or just before 6 p.m. Dave answered the phone. The caller asked Dave if he wanted to talk about Tim. Dave misunderstood and told Tim C. the phone was for him. Tim C. took the phone and the caller said, “Dave? “
Tim C. said, “No, Tim.” The caller was quiet for a minute then proceeded to ask Tim (as if he knew him) what he thought had happened to Tim King. Tim C., frightened and confused, pulled the phone away from his ear. Polly saw the puzzled look on Tim C.’s face and grabbed the phone. When she said “hello” – the caller waited a second and then hung up. She asked Tim C. what happened and he told her the caller asked for Dave and wanted to talk about Tim King. The caller never identified himself and Polly called the police. There was a series of hang-up calls the next day or two – then nothing. At the time it was thought to have been a reporter because the boys who were with your brother that day had their names published in the paper.

Conclusive? Not at all, but rather odd.

Helen eventually told me ( I think when she was comfortable that I wasn’t seeking glory) the name of John. Xxxxxxxxx He went to Brother Rice, but his youngest brother Mike went to Seaholm. There is no official photo of Mike in the yearbook, but there are 2 candids in the 1978 edition (his senior year) that I have scanned. When I saw them, I remembered him. He played violin in the orchestra ( candid), and worked in a market ( the other candid.) After extensive searching I found info on him, his family tree, his careers, and oddly, that he graduated in September of 1978. . . wasn’t that unusual?

He claims to be an actor and to have had a reoccurring role on West Wing as well as being a theologian and teacher. I checked SAG records of members and couldn’t find a Mike, Michael, or any other variation of Mike Xxxxxxxx in the membership. Nor, when I searched cast records for WW from the beginning, could I find any mention of Mike Xxxxxxxx OR the role of “Navy Captain.” He does have a website dedicated to Fibromyalgia based on this captain at Xxxxxxxxxxxx It also lists his resumes. He seems slimy. On the Classmates website, he used to have a profile that said he was an engineer in Georgia – which is really odd as that is where John was living then too. That has since been removed – somewhere in the last 6 months.

Anyway, after weighing all the garbage that it out there on the Oakland County child killer, I have come to this-

Helen Dagner has never changed her story about John. She has lots of information that has never been published. She has spent countless hours trying to bring about an end. And, she has never breached her word with me about not revealing me to the internet world, giving out my name, email, or anything else ( unless, like with you, I have directed her to do so.) She has stuck with her story for almost 17 years. She hasn’t written a book or a screen play. She hasn’t tried to engage the press with sensationalistic material (and there was at least one time she could have.) She has no self serving, monetary motivation that I have detected in the 2 years I have been in contact with her. So, I have to say, I believe her.

There are others who profess to be extremely knowledgable about the OCCK and Helen has been involved in some pissing contests with them. However, they are no longer making posts. . . and Helen still is. Take that for what it is worth. Lastly, when I first shared Helen’s story with my husband – he was angry. Why was there not an arrest? Why can someone say all she has said and nothing happened? And, why was I jeopardizing our family safety by communicating with all these internet crackpots? One of these crackpots is a man named Kevin Rundle ( screen name Kdogg) who took it upon himself to cyberstalk me. I had to remove my name from classmates.com, the Seaholm Alumni website and block my email. He had the audacity to even repost the boys names who were with your brother that day and ask me why that hit so close to home. It was at that time that I stopped posting (for the most part), but kept in touch with Helen only. Again, she has never betrayed me and I value our relationship. I have chosen not to share any of this with Dave – only if it becomes essential in bringing out a conviction to the OCCK.

There is so much more I can and will share if you would like me to do so. I have known how to contact you since your 20 year HS reunion, but have chosen not to as I did not want to bring about emotions or ideas that would create eventual heartache for you. As for contacting Chris. . . he has never seemed approachable about the subject and I have always felt it a sign to leave him alone.

Your family suffered untold horrors at the hands of a monster. I can never change that, but if I have the power to offer insight, integrity, and empathy with my knowledge that will bring you closure, I will do it until no more can be done.

You can reach me Cathy at Xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx and I will be glad to talk with you more. I’ll let you guide the discourse.

Sincerely,
Judi Coltman (Judi Newtson class of 1979)

[Helen Dagner]

From: Kevin Rundel
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [occk] Helen's last warning


Well I guess she hasn't finished feeding her fat a-- yet to reply or some sence came to head. Either way the person sending these emails to Helen has not removed themselves yet. I will give you a few more hours to think it over, after that your fate will be the same as Helen. Remember, when the blood soaked slab of cement slaps you on the back and you try to open your eyes to let in the light and relize your eyes are open, you may find your wondering if you could have done things different, the answer is yes. You are at that point now where you need to make a choice.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: [occk] Helen's last warning


It seems Helen has nothing better to do than cause problems. What a
very sick slobb. She complains she is being attack or being bullied
but she is the only one attacking. Now, I offered her a truses a
few weeks ago on her board. She now says that I offered her a
truses because I ran out of ideas. I offered her a truses because
if things continue, I will take it to the next step. Helen, you
want to continue to run your fat f---ing mouth? Try chewing with
your mouth closed you COW!

Here's the next step, you beast of a B---h dog.

I'm gonna call Mark Hogben. You know him. He's the person who owns
the only site left that will run your slanderous bullnuts. I'm not
gonna just call him at work, I'm gonna call him at home. I think I
discuss with him about removing you from his site before I started
contacting all his customers, again and again. I'll email them at
work, I'll email them at home. I'll call them at work, I'll call
them at home. Then I'll start contacting his neighbors both at home
and at work. I will not stop contacking him until he either pulls
your f--ked up s--t from the net and bans you or he is bankrupt.
Lets see who else supports you? I would be willing to guess there
are enough people pissed off at you to help with this task.

This is just the tip of the ice berg B---h dog. Before I get to you,
everyone around you will be aware.


NOTE-WHAT KDOGG CALLED HARRASING HIM-WAS MY ASKING HIM TO SHOW SOME PROOF OF THE THINGS HE SAID AND OR CORRECT THEM...OR JUST COME OUT AND ADMIT HE LIED-


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NOTE- You see how into the victims the people on this Yahoo site were-This went on day... after day... after day...after day...until their big fall which occurred after we Neutered Kdogg
for the last time...

[Helen Dagner]

Date: Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:59 pm

THIS IS A SENSITIVE REQUEST TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
I have no idea how to start this...other than to tell you..it is of the utmost importance-That you turn in your take home files on the Occk cases...however old your files maybe....now I realize this could be a touchy matter....because of possible animosity or rivalries between jurisdictions-but it is time to give them up! So the Occk Task Force can connect the crucial dots....Please do not take these files to your grave-there are four families...waiting for resolution...Alright here is the deal....you do not have to turn these files into the state police....your name does not have to be made known...we can put you in contact with other officers who will accept your files...with no questions asked....and if you do not want to make direct contact with any officer-you can mail them anonymously to any Oakland County Law Enforcement Office...Now you all know who I'm talking to...I have kept my promise to all of you and have not revealed your names...nor the contents of your files....but something has come -up that you have the information that will help with these cases...You have the chance to be a really big hero to a lot of people -wether you choose to become known for it or not...You may contact me if you need any further information or have any questions....I'm counting on you to do the right thing as are the families who still grieve... Helen

[Helen Dagner]

If in the end the XXX doesn't want to move forward, I think its time for a solid private investigator, like a Patricia Cornwall, Bill Kurtis, perhaps a Xxxxx Xxxxx from Channel 7 or someone of that nature take your information and go with it. If the XXX does not come thru, would you be willing to go in that direction with me involved, of course?
Sgt.

[Helen Dagner]

Helen,Well, your instincts are pretty good so if you are unsure then, let it stay private. Have you opened the file lately? Just to jog new ideas? Ken

[Helen Dagner]

Helen that was a really cool trick you played on Cody's computer. Did you get
any useful information out of it?

Scott

[Helen Dagner]

Yes,This is how the posts use to be by the old Defunt yahoo group-They always added a little extra to what Helen said, lol


Nov 11th, 2005 - 1:36 AM Re: Helen's "john"

Helen seemed very convincing to me while a Berkley Police Officer did not.

Helen stated to me that John's Apartment was searched and nothing was found because John was tipped off.

He had openly admitted to this and due to Due Process rights, he cannot be arrested or searched again and has since moved to Europe. So somebody from this site can get an interview with John, Helen arranges, in order to put her to the proof.

I know that through information and belief there were Four men aquainted that had different duties throughout the Four Oakland children killings. One would get the Child to a nuetral location. Another would kill the child and the other would dispose of the body. The fourth would be an alternate participant. Two of these men would meet at the Gas Buggy Lounge on Seven Mile Rd. 1/2 block east of Woodward Ave. (David Norberg/Blond hair unIDed Man) One was a HAM Radio Operator (Jefferey Allen Smith) who worked at the Chrysler Warren Truck Assembly Plant. John a resident of Birmingham to Alpena where his Apartment was searched to, again Europe.

John has some trophies of these children still in his possession. David Norberg has since died in a Car accident in 1981. After such death, items belonging to the children were turned over to Police by his parents. Jefferey Allen Smith is currently serving a 90 year prison term in Texas for Child Molestation
charges, multiple offences.

I will, if I may be so bold, ascertain the name of the Blond haired man and where he is.

I am not going to share a great deal of information with all of about how much more I know, but you can rest assure I will take care of this situation.

What I can tell the rest of family members I did not talk to and all of you, that there children cannot be found by looking. They will see them again in time. Craig

[Helen Dagner]

[Helen Dagner]

Oh Helen - he has a personal "right"! What a load of crap that is. If he had any clue about what you know, who you have spoken to and what has transpired - especially of late - he wouldn't sit in judgement. Nor would he proclaim his right, either.
Sgt.

[Helen Dagner]

For the emails pointing out the similarities between the lime car in Terri's picture and the car that Grayfield used in his old postings. Well ... they are similar but they are totally different type cars as shown below:

[Helen Dagner]

Here is something to think about. That lime car in Terri's picture sticks out like a sore thumb. If that car was actually used for scouting the OCCK
candidates and victims it would have been described by witnesses everywhere but no one describes a car like that or it's color. Maybe Richard Lawson switched to Bobbie Moores gremlin for the OCCK activities so they would be left unnoticed.

Jack

[Helen Dagner]

Pembrook, PIG HEAD, KDogg - whoever you are. Why don't you stop wasting your words and energies smearing Helen across the web and back? You have single handedly bullied some of her best sources. What ever happened to Avalon? Or Casual Observer who is as close to the day Tim King disappeared than anyone else who has appeared on the web? How many others have you pushed into hiding? Not Helen though. She has gone toe to toe, nose to nose with you and you back down, change your screen name and lurk in the shadows. Helen is still Helen and she is still out there day in and out trying to keep the memories of those kids alive.

It is sickening that their legacy is that of victim. They should have been teachers, lawyers, parents. You once prefessed to care about them too, but I have yet to see anything where it shows you have any concern for those kids.

Put your energies into something positve Pemdogg, otherwise you are as useless as all of the old records sitting in a file drawer
Xxxxx Xxxx

[Helen Dagner]

WWC , here is the long and short of it. Helen sincerely believes
John killed those children. He told her many details and her concern
was confirmed by the fact that the police did end up interviewing him
again in 1992 and repolygraphed him. The police "cleared" him. At
least Helen Dagner, Casual Observer and Alpena Witness actually went
to police when they had information police needed to know or perhaps
had overlooked or downplayed. If you have read her site carefully,
you will see what a thankless and borderline-demeaning deal that is.
Your 2004 post mentions that these crimes hit home for you because
you lived in the area (Birmingham, to be exact) and because "your
friend" John McKinney was questioned about these cases and later
murdered. You intimated that perhaps his murder was related to this
questioning. YOU opened that door, no one else did. Maybe you are
like thousands of other Oakland County residents from that era who
were vicariously affected by these heinous crimes and have a passing
fascination with the fact that not only were they completely depraved
crimes, 30 years later they remain unsolved. I have to believe that
most participants in these forums simply are people who feel
horrible about what happened and frustrated with the fact that there
were at least 8 crime scenes (place of abductions/body drop offs--the
place(s) of the murders would be others), no one was ever arrested.
On the other hand, if you have actual information, you have not gone
to police (except perhaps to inquire why McKinney's murder was taking
a back seat to other crimes). Your interest seems to have been in
tossing out the possibility of a connection between the OCCK murders
and John McKinney's murder, as well as tearing down Helen Dagner. Is
that because you have a better suspect, or just because you have
concluded that Helen can't be right based on your own diligent
research and honed instincts?

Now, why would I raise the sex offender issue? You seem to like Ted
and Randall Raar as suspects. You have posted a fair amount about
this. This kind of crap must have gone on to some extent in the
suburbs, too, and someone like Ted may have brought kids to the
suburbs for this purpose. Perhaps you have some knowledge of this.
It doesn't hurt to raise the issue--believe me, no one else will. I
don't care if you are offended by the implication. As the
investigation in 1977 demonstrated, and is in the news almost weekly
in 2007, this type of perversion is much more widespread than anyone
wants to believe.

You were a fair amount younger than John McKinney. You never have
described how you knew each other or how you became friends, not even
in the most generic terms. Helen Dagner, Casual Observer and Alpena
Witness have been up front and while this has made them open to
criticism by arm-chair theorists such as yourself, they have nothing
to hide or nothing to fear from the police. Can the same be said of
you? I know you won't answer, I am just making a point. You make it
sound like you simply checked in over the years with police to make
sure no one had forgotten about John McKinney's case, which also
deserves to be solved. Doesn't sound like you offered any info
whatsoever.

Listen, pal, if you have any information or legitimate speculation
about what happened to those four kids in 1976 and 1977, or to John
McKinney in September 1977, you had better speak up. If you are just
playing games, well, let the games continue. But consider this: the
families and friends of these four children were held captive and
murdered by a real-life Hannibal Lector. They have waited over 30
years for some kind of resolution. You think you have it rough
because your adult friend was shot to death and his murder was never
solved and because you believe Helen Dagner is wrong about the
OCCK??? If you know or think you know anything even remotely
relevant, speak up. Others certainly have--and thereby subjected
themselves to the scorn of police and people like you. Guess what?
Someone who got blown off by the police WAS/IS RIGHT. The police
worked their hearts out, but at the end of the day, THEY DIDN'T GET
THEIR MAN. You can't dispute that, PIG HEAD, although I am sure you will
construe this as "cop-bashing." Let's hear what you have to say--for
instance, how did you know John McKinney, how do you know he was
questioned by police about the OCCK cases, do you know if his name
was turned in to the task force as a suspect or maybe as someone who
may have counseled the killer, did McKinney retain an attorney after
police spoke with him, did you go to police in September of 1977 with
any information or speculation about his murder, did your reserve-
officer father speculate with you or have knowledge of the task force
investigation? Why not ask you, no one else will.
Cathy

[Helen Dagner]

Helen. It looks like Cody's posts about Inspector71 are entertaining also. She states in the early ones that she knew exactly who Inspector71 was. I would sure like to hear her explanation for the various Inspector71 postings and what the clues mean. Rather than her useless ramplings maybe she should try explaining something. I can only imagine that she thinks it's Richard Lawson piped into the internet from prison or something like that. The more recent post she's not sure. Sounds like a lot of other things from her. LOL

What is interesting is that both Lilly and Terri refer to Inspector71 as a she or Madam. I wonder if Lilly really is a he and told Terri that Inpsector71 is his old wife Mary getting even with him? Just to blow off the threats as nothing. She sure left it pretty blank in her book. The more you read of Cody's old posts along with Lilly's the less it makes any sense.


cody
#5019
Sep 21, 2010


Post something we don't already know about the case ?
You're no mystery, a woman, but not a lady.
I already know who you are and I'm laughing at you.
Interesting game you're playing, but mean.
Sick mind.
Mean and rotton.
It's getting solved quickly now. Must piss you off ?
I'm not stupid, I've been here a while.
You take care now



Cody
#5024
Sep 22, 2010


"Do you still visit with those named C. Vert."

As in "Seifert" ??
Not funny. Sad actually. Mean too.
Neither is making it look like Dan might have wrote this. He didn't.
I know who you are.
You're right here in the states too.

Take care now.


cody
#5691
Saturday Apr 2


Saturday Apr 2



Something is going on
The timing of it is simple
The author gets attacked, my files disappeared right in front of me This was Wednesday or Thursday.
They were e-mails from a Busch victim.
In January they took the ones I had on the art gallery owner. No lie.....poly me LE.
M gets assaulted ?
Topix goes down ?? Just this part of Topix ?
Just the Jonbenet forum ??
It might all be FBI ?? Maybe ? Maybe not ?
But, who went after M ??
Sixmile knew too much to be a new comer ??
Wrote like he was quite educated ??
I forgot about the inspector. I think we know who that was ? Maybe not though.....??
Stuff is stirred up right now and not in a good way.
As for Alan ? Well, the investigating detective said he talked to him often and was surprised to hear from
Alan's friend that he had done what he did
Maybe it just got to be too much for him to carry ?
He finally told his whole story, the men went to jail. Well, the ones that were still alive. Bob Moore is dead.
So, he could have just had enough ?
I'd like to know if he left a note ??
That's my question ?
Busch and Hojnacki didn't ? Their killers left clear ones though ?
If someone killed Alan - d**n you to Hell !!!
So we sit here, worried about M and others, including ourselves. I'm not alone, I am armed, I have people
who also know what is going on. Be warned - I better stay in one piece too !!
I know "nothing" other than what I read in the book. You should know, you're stealing from my computer.


Note - The above sounds like someone completely paranoid that can't think straight on anything.

Sgt.