Hunt For Killer "Ends As Failure"

[Helen Dagner]

[Helen Dagner]

Helen,
I want to be perfectly frank with you.
I do not think John is the guy, but I am not
discounting him either. The information that I gave
the police was very detailed. There is enough
circumstantial evidence, that I believe the police
feel that probably know who did it. The person that I
think was responsible may not have acted alone, and I
remember him hanging with a guy that was mysterious
and know one knew his real name or where he lived.
But I want to compare notes with you and see if things
tie together or not. I am interested in sharing my
info with you, but I do have some reservations. I want
to be comfortable that you are a
sincere person and that your willing to get this issue
put to bed, even if you eventually find out John did
not do it. I am willing to except that I am wrong if
the entire truth eventually means that I disagreeumptions
were wrong.
I believe that my info made it to all departments
still involved, but I am curious if key information
was shared. (Like the kind that would embarrass a
detective that went way out on a limb in the wrong
direction). I believe that I went to the wrong
detective. If they have not solved the case, why are
they not asking me more questions? I assume that you
are experiencing some of the thoughts that I am.
I understand that they have DNA from a animal hair and
human hair. Thats what I meant when I told you I know
where his dog is buried (I buried him). His dog was
with him during the abductions even if he is not the
one. You give me a little info and I will give you a
little. In a face to face, I will tell you everything
if I feel that you are open minded.
Let me tell you this much, he had a menial job, his
only opportunities came in winter months, he had a
means to take off work and still get paid, he was
sexually confused,he spent time in a mental ward, he
was handsome and approachable,he went through extreme
hair style changes and mood swings during this era,
painted his car a different color, was arrested for
walking in Oakland County with his pants off, (he did
not live there nor did he have a legitimate reason why
he was there) and he was only in Michigan from early
1975 to October of 1977. I have provided the police
with much more specific info. 90% of my info is
verifiable. There are witnesses.
What I am interested in from you is why was your
website shut down and you made a comment in your
article that something was happening but you weren't
free to say it at this point. I also sense that you
have been treated poorly by some of the authorities
and I would like to understand that better.
Do you think Anger and Patterson are embaressed that
Norbergs' DNA was a non match?

Les

[Helen Dagner]

From the above post-Do you think Anger and Patterson are embaressed that
Norbergs' DNA was a non match?

Note: Neither of them have anything to be embaressed about-they gave their ALL to this case for many many years....you on the other hand came on long enough for you and Susan to stirred up a mess -with your 99% Dna-Meaning Susans Brother was the Killer,assisted by Kdogg and the rest of the now defunt or I should say long defunt Yahoo.Group....and if you are not being chastise and you all created a big mess...I mean a BIG MESS,then why would anyone think badly of Det.Anger and Patterson?

[Helen Dagner]

~ Oakland County Child Killer Caught! ~
Post by buzzc on Dec 11, 2006, 8:30pm

Ohio Man Named Suspect in 1970s Detroit area Child Killings--
Monday, December 11, 2006

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Theodore Lamborgine

DETROIT — Authorities named a suspect Monday in the brutal killings of four children in the 1970s, raising hopes of solving a case that terrorized the region.

Theodore Lamborgine, 65, is "our most promising suspect at this particular time," Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said at a news conference in Detroit.

The admission that Lamborgine is a suspect in the recently revived "Oakland County Child Killer" case came as Worthy announced charges against Lamborgine in an unrelated series of sexual assaults against six children in the 1970s and 1980s.

Lamborgine, whose home was listed as Parma Heights, Ohio, pleaded not guilty to four counts of first-degree, one count of second-degree and 12 counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct Monday afternoon. He was ordered jailed without bond.

Worthy's office also is bringing charges against Richard Lawson, a convicted murderer, in the sexual assaults of eight juveniles from several Detroit-area communities during the same time period. Lawson, 60, faces 28 counts of criminal sexual conduct but is not a suspect in the child killings.

The two men knew each other and worked together as sexual predators, Worthy said.

"We do consider this a sex ring of sorts," she added, saying authorities believe there are "many, many more" victims.

The two lured their victims, some under 13, to motel rooms and homes with soft drinks, drugs, food and cash, Worthy said.

"These suspects knew that there were a lot of kids living in that area -- a lot of poor kids living in that area," said Livonia police Detective Sgt. Cory Williams. "It didn't take too much for them, the suspects, to figure out they could take the kids a case of soda, some drugs or cash."

Lawson, while not a suspect in the killings, provided authorities with information about Lamborgine related to the case, said Garry Gray, head of the Oakland County Child Killer Task Force.

The four slain children -- Timothy King, 11; Mark Stebbins, 12; Jill Robinson, 12; and Kristine Mihelich, 10 -- were suffocated between February 1976 and March 1977.

Each child was missing between three days and nearly three weeks before the body was found. Two had been raped, and one had been shot in the face with a shotgun.

Authorities revived the investigation into the unsolved killings in February 2005, saying they would begin reanalyzing evidence and leads using more advanced computer databases and forensic techniques.

The investigation's last big lead had fallen apart in 2000, when DNA from the exhumed body of a suspect failed to match the genetic material in a hair found on one of the victims.

Worthy said the sexual assault charges are the result of a two-year investigation. The alleged victims were identified with help of the multi-jurisdictional Oakland County Child Killer Task Force.

Lamborgine and Lawson face maximum penalties of life in prison if convicted of the sexual assaults.

Lamborgine was not represented by an attorney at his court appearance Wednesday. Court officials told him one would be appointed for him.

Lawson is behind bars in Michigan. He was convicted of murder and armed robbery in March in the 1989 death of Exavor Giller, 67, who owned a cab company where Lawson once worked.

[Helen Dagner]

Helen--please do not release my name or URL. I am guessing that this Lawson knows how the system works (having been a police informant in the past) and now that he is facing life in prison, he is dangling out some bait so that he has some kind of bargaining chip--perhaps he has a prison preference that he is angling for. I know that many years ago, when the Cass Corridor porno places were busted that LE thought they had the child killer. However, once LE looked very carefully at it, they ruled him out. The media routinely blows things like Lawson's statements out of proportion. The guy says he has info, that's it, but the media love to whip it up into so much more. This old man is grasping at anything to try to affect his sentencing and/or prison placement. Maybe he wants some kind of protective confinement. What he may have is simply a rumor or a bunch of b.s. The media is completely prideless. The police are not.

Do you know why John's name was given to the task force back in the seventies and who turned in his name? Did he comment at all on the polygraph test? Was he questioned more than once? Why did he bind the boys' wrists? Why was bruising present on one or more of the victims? Some "babysitter." Did John visit any of the funeral homes the children were at and if so, what did he tell the funeral director(s) about why he wanted to view the child(ren)? What did he tell these poor kids during the time they were held captive?

I have to tell you I respect what you have done over the years. I also have to tell you, that the reason(s) John gives for the killings ring hollow to me. I think these were sexual crimes that were covered up by murder. Surely there are women out there who can back me up on this fact--there are many ways of sexually molesting a child without penetration and this killer could have done some weird stuff with the girls as well. I don't buy that the sexual assaults on the boys were post-mortem. I think there was no semen because the guy used a condom and cleaned the kids up. Also, in 1976 and 1977 forensics were not what they are now. Why would he have had to bind the boys' wrists? Do I think this person committed the "perfect crime"? No. I think this person was completely diabolical and lucky. Again, forensic science was no where near where it is today. Also, this person was poaching kids from suburbs that had a false sense of security back then.

The other thing I cannot get over after reading your posts is that it sounds like some of his family is aware of what John has/may have done. What kind of a world were these people living in if you suspected someone was a child killer, even if he was family, and didn't call LE?! If they did suspect John, when did they become suspicious and were some of the kids murdered after they had these suspicions? Did any of them cover for John or refuse to cooperate with LE? Have any of them confronted him? Do you know if there is a history of mental illness in his family? Did John ever explain why he stopped killing kids in the Detroit area? Finally, if John is so smart, why did he use his brains to kidnap, molest and kill children?! If he is so smart, did he ever achieve the things he was lacking that supposedly caused him to kill innocent kids? Someone please explain to me how a family could collude to cover this up??? {NO NAME}

[Helen Dagner]

Dan, we have heard all of your allegations concerning the Oakland County Child Killer and now your suspect connected to the Ramsey case. You have every right to air your opinions and that will not be disputed, however, it is time to make a few corrections.
1) Ms. Dagner's suspect has been a person of interest to us since 1977. There is a passport that states he was out of the country during the dates of one of the abductions. While it cannot be legally disputed, it is still suspect. Ms. Dagner's suspect is still an open file.
2)When looking for criminal information on people, you must understand that what is printed is not always reality. With felony convictions, for example, a commuted sentence will not show on those files - only the sentence, suggested length by law and targeted release date. The reality is usually different. Prison space is a commodity needed for dangerous criminals.
Now, by all means go back to your Ramsey case. I hope you can truly find an answer there...but take it to the Colorado LE please.
Sgt.