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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 25, 2011 16:00:11 GMT -5
Well I have called the Birmingham City Manager-didn't talk to him but to his assistant-lol--who thought he could help me-I told him why I had called and the poor guy he didn't no weather to laugh or cry-so this was 4pm and he assured me that the manager would call me when he got back in 10 min-they close at 5 pm--so I would imagine they are still in with the City attorney -wondering what they can do--I didn't say I would sue them just that I wanted to know if there was a form that I should or could fill out that would show -that I may intend too-If Chief Donald Studt is not disciplined for this cross intentional distortion-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 25, 2011 16:30:32 GMT -5
OMG-This is to funny for words-I had to take a break from reading that crap-but I have already read -where Don has me telling 2 differant guys I was in love with them...there maybe more-i have only read 20 pages--I will be posting all this stuff-but typing it is going to be a Big problem-as I only type with one finger--and there is lots of it--Chief Studt does not even complete a sentence with out lying---I see where he says I told him I spent money from my buyers group--where he says they got little in return-it just goes on and on and on-like I saw John in a black Ski mask-that John would go get beer when we met-that I had told him I research the Occk Newspaper archives and had a collection of the papers--now remember this is 1992-I didn't even see a newspaper till 1999--That I had called Mr.Kings Office-I'm just shaking my head-He sure never thought I would see these papers-He even tells how I said Johns daughter was 6 yrs old--she was a toddler-well all my contact with Don was recorded-or written in my own hand writing-sooo he should of thought about that...I imagine those tapes will have disappeared already this after noon-lol-what a B-s-ta-d!!~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 25, 2011 17:26:40 GMT -5
I into Johns first Interview-on page 46-lol-maybe it is just men-I never seen anything like this--John tells Studt I wrote him a love letter---yep a 25 page letter I did write to him-asking him to confess to LE--but I suppose that is the closes he has ever come to a love letter----By the way-Don Studt did a real good job interviewing John the first time-I still have more than 20 pages of that report to read-lol-so I may think differently when I'm finish   |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 25, 2011 20:10:38 GMT -5
Oh Don,what have you done--I just let my daughter read her narrative report-and you should have seen her reaction-In fact will be requesting copys of all the tapes--what are you going to do then--and don't let the Tapes disappear-and I should tell you-don't say they where lose or Stolen--because the over 40 year old Robbision -6 family murder case-all the tapes were there when my daughter closed that case-I can not Imagine why you would do this--even if you thought I would never see those papers and neither would my daughter-why would you do this to any human being--It is because you knew I was right about the Occk--and you didn't want me going to other agency-and you knew I would...because I'm a Pit Bull-and because I knew that John wasn't overseas-and your first 63 page interview is proof-so when the other cops called you-and your not being able to prove that Johns passport was not official-you still told them-his passport was his Alibi-end of there investigation-Well Chief-you tried to screw the wrong person~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 25, 2011 23:14:00 GMT -5
This is a lot worst then I thought it was-I never said any of the things Studt had in his report about John--There is no way these Child Killer cases can ever be solved-not if the reports have been handle like this and I see other reports in there where others have said-that is not the tip information that they gave officers when they called in-i mean this investigation has been totally fiction from start to finish-I am just shaking my head-I have never seen or heard anything like this-how could they do this to the families?- we are not talking just about mistakes being made-this is fabrication like I have never seen before-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 0:13:42 GMT -5
Well I don't like going to bed-when I haven't figure out yet WHY Chief Don Studt of the Birmingham police ...felt it so necessary to make me look like a pathetic,delusional. ding bat....who is so mentally and emotionally unbalanced - that I had romantic Interest In all the men related to the Oakland County Child Murder case? I don't recall getting any romantic vibes off him-lol
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 13:44:40 GMT -5
BPD Chief Studt Manipulates Oakland County Child Serial Murder Police Reports
This is a lot worst then I thought it was-I never said any of the things Studt had in his report about John--There is no way these Child Killer cases can ever be solved-not if the reports have been handle like this and I see other reports in there where others have said-that is not the tip information that they gave officers when they called in-i mean this investigation has been totally fiction from start to finish-I am just shaking my head-I have never seen or heard anything like this-how could they do this to the families?- we are not talking just about mistakes being made-this is fabrication like I have never seen before- -I am only on the 11 page of the Narrative on The Oakland County Child Investigation concerning myself-and I can already see that you are Fu--ing NUTS--You never thought that I would ever see these papers-lol You dirty SOB!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 26, 2011 19:05:48 GMT -5
We have documents for this thread-however we are so overwhelmed-will just get them up when we can-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 27, 2011 11:36:56 GMT -5
Ok-I have just re-read the 63 pages of the Narrative-Don Studt-Interviews John--and Don did a Brilliant job--so why were my interviews with Don-laced with so much garbage that i couldn't even recognize the contents----  I now have that answer and will post it later.... |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2011 14:18:44 GMT -5
So why are my interview papers not recognizable to me? I think I have the answer-I don't recall the date but I went down to Birmingham and demanded all my files back-It was a while after my last interview at BPD, I really felt they were not making any head way-So when I asked for them.Studt and the Chief got all huffy with me-the chief grabs a piece of paper and says write on this what I tell you!-Put down that you were not working for us at any time!-I couldn't believe what he was saying-but long story short I made out the paper-Then Don went back and came out with a beer case containing my papers-I said I sure hope they are all in there because I don't want to have to make a trip back here-So the Chief says-what are you planning on doing? I said finding someone with a pulse to work on these cases-then they really got upset-and said well before you go off finding this person and when you do-you better have them stop and see what we have on the case-I just laugh-so as I was leaving with my goodies-they made a smart remark-you know the type when someone really bruises a mans ego-and I turned around and said-something to the effect that maybe I will sue you for incompetence-it didn't end there we bartered back and forth-and when I thought I had won that argument-I just walked out.( I should add right here that I didn't realize until a couple of weeks ago-how much work they really did put into these cases-it was a tremendous amount -way beyond any ones comprehension-but it took me 20yrs to find that out) So here is what I think happen and the Documents will also show this-I think they changed my interviews -so if I was to cause any problems over this-I would look really bad- and they did make me look very -very bad-you will see all of that with my next post. I also should add that I have talked to Don on a few occasions every year since Tobias passed away and the conversations all went well-however that was before I read the 20yr old Documents --that he would have never in his wildest dreams believe that I would see...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2011 14:23:04 GMT -5
BPD Chief Studt Manipulates Oakland County Child Serial Murder Police Reports - 2 Viewing
I just got this in from my daughter--*I figured out what Don did with those interviews. Are they typed up "interview narrative style"?
If he asked the question:
S: Do you think she did it for the money?
B: No, I don't think she would do that.
It is very easy for him to change the person's answer.
For example:
B: I think she did it for the money.
So the secretary types it up from the tapes, he has final edit approval. See what I am saying.....
Bobra -Note My daughter was a Det.Sgt.at the time-and I think Don Studt was just a Det. with no rank~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 29, 2011 14:02:52 GMT -5
Dear Don Studt;
I have no idea if you read here but considering the content
that is presented here I have my doubts.
But just in case you do I would like to state that I was purely honest
and sincere the day I came to talk to you with my wife.
I can tell you that there was NO books on Helen & John's table
during the hour I was there. If there was I would have surely
remembered it.
If there was a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing book on that table it
was not during the time that I was present.
Considering that I still keep contact with a couple Big Boy employees
that worked there in the early 90s, I can assure you that NO ONE from
the police staff ever interviewed any employees at the restaurant. So
whatever investigation was made it was never much and any
claims of a book used to make the maps can not be backed up
by any witnesses.
After all these years I sure wish the truth of this whole matter can
be revealed.
Search the Truth,
Alpena Witness
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 10:14:10 GMT -5
The Letter hasn't come yet-However I will not be receiving my FOIA requested Tapes Of my Interviews with Don Studt--Because don't you know this is and OPEN INVESTIGATION-If I need more Info-I should contact the MSP_LOL
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 2, 2011 12:50:24 GMT -5
Narrative Report-3/3/92-BLKo1583-STUDT-Helen thinks John is very handsome and brilliant man.She said that she likes him a lot.She likes spending the time with him.They meet nightly at the Big Boy Restaurant. She has also been to his apartment several times. She said that they have never been lovers.The reason they haven't is not because physically he wasn't attracted to her,but the mother of his child said he was a terrible lover,and she didn't want to waste her time with him.John told Helen he loves her.( So what is wrong with this?) the only part of this conversation that Don and I ever had was-I thought John was brilliant and I enjoyed spending time with him-The other stuff in this report is total BS and never came up -ever~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 4, 2011 20:51:23 GMT -5
Yes it is kind of funny-I spent 20 yrs looking backwards in this case to 1976-77-to see if there was any type of cover up-and never found a thing-to show that there was-here it is 20 years later and I find that the cover-up started on day one when I met with the Birmingham Mi police-total shocker!WHY??
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I now have that answer and will post it later....